PerreaultForever

Well sure. I've wanted Adams fired for a while. I was very disappointed he wasn't fired last year. Most of us were. So yes, fire Adams. Absolutely. I'm just saying if it's a cosmetic change nothing will really change and we will just be fooled into optimism for another 2 or 3 years. Terry has to change his view and involvement or this will never really change. That's the core of the argument.

It wouldn't be the first (or last) time a former starting goalie has been sent down. So it's still simple to me and it's correct by the other goalies and how you treat them. You call every GM and see if they are interested. If there's any sort of trade available you make it. If there isn't, you send him down and if another GM claims him you file that GM name under snake in your contact list and you move on. Levi still gets most of the starts down there because he is your top prospect and you tell him that. You tell him you see the future as him and Ellis. That's it, it's over. One thing I no longer care about is how good players do away from Buffalo. It'll happen and it'll happen a lot. WGAF. The only thing that matters here is Sabres wins and losses and that should be the mantra. If you aren't winning it's just not good enough and you need to make changes.

okay but they shouldn't "lose the urgency" that's sort of the issue isn't it.

Said as much when we first got him but whatever. If they are thinking this rebuild has failed and there will be a new GM, coach, etc etc. and there's a partial tear down coming, this is the perfect time to trade Power. He hasn't been in the league long enough for other GMs to think he's a bust and most will think "it's Buffalo" and they will believe they can turn him into something better (which maybe they can but who knows). That window of optimism on his ceiling will close soon.

I think you missed my meaning in my comment. The implication would be that the "change" would be cosmetic and really, it would all still be Terry and Terry's decisions and visions of how things should be. So very little if anything would change.

Wow. You win the nerd award for that one. I don't actually care about firing Adams unless I know who is hired and if there's a change in direction or not. Let's just say Terry fires Adams but all he does is make Jarmo GM, move Ruff to Senior Advisor and name Appert head coach, well then the Titanic is likely still heading straight for the iceberg.

No, I'm just saying it's a desperation play no matter when you pull the goalie and their odds of getting it done in 1 minute are slim to none so why not 2 or 3 minutes? It's a hail Mary and likely won't matter anyway, but not pulling the goalie isn't going to work either so whatever. They always lack urgency and they lose puck battles. That's all 60 minutes as a whole. For years. 6 on 5 requires that urgency, physicality, and being desperate on every single puck battle. You don't get to be pretty with 6 on 5.

You have to realize your argument is based on a premise that since they are pathetic at 6 on 5 it's not worth trying early. I mean, that's the Sabres in a nutshell.

Yikes, when did the Bills turn into the Sabres?

Well the flaw in your theory is you see the goalie being out for all 3 minutes. The idea is you score and put him back in for the last 2 minutes. If he's out for all 3 you likely aren't getting it done anyway. Coach has to go for the match up and O zone face off. But you need to win that face off and you need to send that extra man to the front of the net to create havoc. Honestly I don't think it really matters. Appert seems to be designing all these things and like the Pp it's useless.

Well I'd trade him for anything/nothing just to get rid of the contract but I don't think it's that easy. Name me the teams who would want to add that contract for an AHL level goalie? I see nobody goalie desperate so you'd need to add to get them to take the contract. Just send him to Rochester and if somebody claims him all the better.

If you're going to think this way they need to do what the Bruins did last year and mid season deconstruct. Then drop like a stone as low as they can go. You trade those vets for almost ready prospects like Bruins did for Minten (who is really good - hate the Leafs, but they drafted well). To do that, as I said in the game thread, now is the time to fire Adams. Let the new guy get on with it this year so as not to waste next year.

Well you have to like the comeback attempt but you can see at the end they look dead inside again. They know it and we know it, you aren't going anywhere losing all these games, even if they are close. I'd really really really like to see Adams fired now. Make Jarmo GM if that's the plan but do it now. Let the new guy start planning for the deadline, potential tear downs and future draft. If they do the usual and hire in the off season they'll lose more years in the adjustment period. Come on Terry. You can shake up whole neighborhoods with that frakking. Shake up this hockey team. It depends. You have to time it out with the face off and which top guys are rested and ready to go. The thinking isn't we will be attacking for 3 minutes. It's just now's a good time for the line match ups we want. or at least it should be.

Quinn with another of his patented stick waves. Just how many losses will this dude earn them this year? Absolutely useless defensively.

Come on, Terry isn't scouting and doing paper work and making phone calls. He's just the final approval on everything big. You want a trade he has to say okay. We will see in time if Jarmo plays a bigger role or not.

You can argue forever searching for "facts" and absolute "proof" and you will rarely get it. Most hockey related stories are filled with conjecture and scenarios which may or may not be true from Friedman and Seravelli and a host of others. You just kind of sit back and try to look for the simplest answer. Occam's Razor. So you look at Buffalo and see bad decisions and futility since Terry bought the team and you ask yourself what is the one constant through all those other changes? Does it not then become obvious???

Hurricanes come at you hard and forecheck as well as anybody (except maybe Florida) but they can be beaten. A few games back I watched a talent deprived Bruins team shut them down and keep them to the outside. You play them physical and you control the middle of the ice and they have issues. They can be beaten, but if you show up trying to play open ice and your own perimeter brand of hockey you will get blown out by their talent.

You have to remember Jarmo was unemployed. Maybe promises were made. Maybe he just wanted back in the NHL. If Kevyn gets fired and he gets the GM job we will know he was brought in as the insurance policy. Will he accept Terry as his meddling overlord? idk, I guess maybe, since he took the job he took. Lou Lamorello visited and left remember. Shanahan makes a point of saying he'd want autonomy. When do you hear a guy announce publicly he'd want autonomy? I never hear it on other team hires. You say it cause you think it might be a problem.

You know when you look back at it Murray structured the concept around where McDavid would be. He added the pieces that on paper should have worked. A young star goalie, a hard nosed D man, a power forward sniper, a complete 2 way center for the second line etc. all the pieces you want around a star playmaker in theoretical abstract terms. That formula on paper would get most GMs to say yes, that's exactly how you build. It should have worked with Eichel as well. He's no McDavid, but he is a star player any team would covet. Lacked the leadership skills of McDavid and so O'Reilly should have been captain but that's just another of many mistakes. Trouble is Murray got a bratty problem child as the power forward, a psycho goalie, a broken D man addicted to pain killers, created a locker room divide and couldn't build a proper defense with the war chest he had. Just bad management and a bad coaching choice to top it off. So honestly, I think McDavid here would have played out just like Eichel. Even without a neck injury, he'd be elsewhere by now.

How much is he paying them? It's not like Terry does any of the day to day stuff but I think he is the final say on any contracts and any trades too. Adams does all the work but Terry sets the direction and says who is untouchable or who should go. Those big picture formative things. It was reported in the summer that Buffalo was hard to deal with and one can easily surmise that all their moves are slow and indecisive looking because they have to run them by the big guy. They've shown the behind the scenes stuff and they spin it as Terry caring but he's in the room or on the phone. He's in the draft room. He's there for the trade deadline. He's constantly involved. This is clear and obvious.

Yes, there's definitely a fear and indecision thing going on with Adams and he doesn't have a clue on goaltending. It seems nobody in the organization does. Maybe they should just bring Marty in and say "Marty, pick the best 2, pick the second best 2." Two for the NHL, Two for Rochester. Get rid of the rest and keep the 2 prospects somewhere like the ECHL in Ratzlaff and Leionen. That's it. Get it done. Really, if they can't decide on Ellis how are they ever going to decide if they don't play him? Hey buddy, go buy a condo, we'll pay for your moving expenses if we screw you over, but don't expect to play any games. What a crazy dumb organization.

It would be nice but I wouldn't look for that to happen. Only way for them to have success right now is to play a tighter more grinding team system and get some good goaltending. If they try to rely on star power and individual play it'll fail miserably. Everybody has to get on the boards and grind. Battle. This is part of the Thompson problem too. He's just looking for the shot again. Every team knows this. He needs to grind as well. Stop being so predictable.

Ya gots to keep yer head up. hockey 101.

You don't replace a guy like Dahlin. You just don't. But in terms of what you have on D, on paper, it can still work. Two highly skilled offensive D. One or two (depending on how you look at it) middle level defenders. Another half decent big D man and then you add one journeyman (and hopefully not Bryson). Most teams are like that. So it's now on the forwards to step up their D game and play a tighter team concept not relying on one star. They do that they might actually win more. Heck, the PP could even be better (can't be much worse) if they finally start spreading it around.

No buy outs. Trade him if you can. You probably can't. Send him to Rochester IDGAF.