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So do the rest of them with the exception of Hayden maybe. Tage plays bigger than he did, but it's more reactive than assertive. Murray gets in front but maybe if he threw a body check once in a while he might develop into a player who could actually stick and become valuable. We don't hit anybody almost ever.

Absolutely true. As good as I think Power will be he is likely 3 to 4 years away from being an NHL force. Dahlin has flaws and needs better players around him to cover up for those mistakes. I can see Samuelsson being a solid defender and without an upgrade(s) Pysyk is a third pairing guy but like you said Jokiharju is not a top pairing defender. I'm not even sure he's second pairing. As much as Risto made many horrible mistakes, we didn't replace him, and thus there's a right side hole. We need a big bruising solid RHD who can be relied on for tough defensive minutes. Don't see how we're going to get that either. I suspect they will expect and ask for too much too soon from Power as they have done with every top drafted D man over the last decade. Hope I'm wrong on that.

Battle of the tear it down and rebuilders. Perhaps a contrast in approach but otherwise basically in exactly the same spot. Might actually be entertaining as a result. Time to start playing bigger.

To the first, do you honestly think Terry doesn't have full control over Adams? and to the second, that is what they would say, but wait to see if they spend any of it. So back to what I originally said, IF Adams uses that cap space temporarily to get assets by taking on salary then all rebuild plans on. If he doesn't, they aren't doing everything they can.

Well idk if that's entirely true. There are quite a few goalies that have played a lot of games for their teams. Vasilevsky's played 31 of 40 games. Sarros 32 of 39. Campbell, Anderson, Gibson all high 20s and there's more. Assuming they stay healthy a number of these guys will be at 60 or at least close. Ullmark hasn't gotten injured this year. Maybe a contributing factor here is what our goalies have to go through in terms of traffic in front, shots, having to move and stretch in efforts to stop dangerous chances? I really don't think it's "bad luck" , and signing old guys and has beens doesn't help either.

We did - assuming the picks amount to anything, but what I like about this is how instantly Borgen delivered the payback. We really need that instilled in this team.

Two questions, 1. Toronto tanked, got their guy, drafted better and bounced back pretty quick soooooooooooooo...................... 2. In your opinion is the team tanking/trying to lose now (again) or are they just inept?

Pity we didn't value this RHD, just what we need. Sabres are dumb.

In the past. I'm not convinced that is the same idea going forward. They certainly didn't spend this year .

Oh definitely. OT is for Eichel types and we don't have those guys any more. Tage is our best forward this year but he's not an open ice guy, he's had success using that reach and size in traffic. OT is all about possession and speed. Only Dahlin is a decent OT player for us. 1. Tage. That's all I got.

We're not getting much for any of our FA players. Miller might get us a decent pick (a first is laughable) but I don't expect more than a 4th or 5th. The only thing Sabres are in a position to do is take on salary from contenders who need to open up space to add somebody from somewhere else. If this is a serious rebuild they can get some assets with all that cap room but that of course depends on Terry. I fully expect us to do virtually nothing.

Ya, I can't stand that. They lose all credibility with that stuff. The bar is set way too low.

This team................ Skated well in the first period. Pretty much how you define a low event hockey game, but aside from an anemic PP they were the better team until the third. and the OT was pathetic. Why is it this team, filled with young players who should be fit and energetic, can't seem to sustain their game for 3 periods? Why do they always look tired at the end? Are they in on the tank? Granato want them to play crap at the end of games on purpose? It just boggles the mind how the same thing keeps repeating. I'm starting to question what we were sold on Tuch. Underwhelming and he too always looks lethargic and tired in the third. I expected more energy and impact from him. Only upside, Samuelson looks ready. A D man who actually plays defense what a concept! Him and Pysyk on the PK was a vast improvement.

They don't even have that. They have billions against valuations, estimations, futures etc etc etc and in some cases it's a house of cards.

They're just mixing and matching to see what sticks - for next year.

Sadly, this is probably true. They might look to a free agent as a back up over Tokarski but that's likely it.

Pat LaFontaine coming in as senior advisor 🙂 I don't see how selling a minority share is an "organizational change" and I doubt Terry would give control to a minority owner so I doubt any of that is true. Karmanos to Vancouver is a possible I suppose. Higher status for him to stay? Maybe. Given the history of Terry's team I doubt whatever change this is will be anything I'd be on board with but you never know. Maybe finally after all this time he'll admit he's been wrong and change it all the right way. But I doubt it.

Guess the Sabres wanted to get this over with so they could go watch the Bills or something cause that was a sad excuse for a hockey game. Total lack of effort and the exact same problem areas. No net front presence on our PP and no control of the front on theirs. Dahlin seems to struggle more in faster games, like this one. Horrible hockey game, if you can call it that. Didn't like the Tuch, Tage, Skinner line. No chemistry there. I'm starting to wonder about a lot of Granato's combinations lately. Seems like he's just tossing into a blender to see what happens. Guess that's what a tank gets you.

I find you constantly talking down in an arrogant "I know better" manner myself but I don't care. You are what you are, I am what I am. I think over the years it's become quite clear we see the game very very differently and what we want to see on the ice is different. I think, in terms of the Sabres, you are likely to get more of what you want but imo that will not translate into a winning team until we get more of what I want. You know, in all honesty, I think if we both worked for the Sabres in their scouting department we would hate each other, maybe not even speak, BUT, when you brought in your list of 10 and I brought in my different list of 10, the 1 guy that would end up on both lists would be the guy.

Yes, from what I saw in the games Fitzgerald played up here I didn't see much difference in terms of ranking. They are different, but I see a lot of flaws in Jokiharju's game and do not think he is a top pairing guy. 5/6 at best.

I hope so too, but I don't think you are. Some people here have put a LOT of faith in Mitts based on a tiny body of work in a late season few games. I doubt he ever amounts to anything substantial, but I was wrong about Tage so I hope I'm wrong here too.

Power Dahlin Jokiharju Fitzgerald Pysek Miller Bryson Prow Butcher Each grouping about equal. Not ranking the Rochester guys who haven't played up this year. Just haven't seen them. Power isn't the best yet, but he will be. Eventual Norris trophy winner, hopefully as a Sabre.

I am being optimistic. Yes, you need as many as possible at all positions, but you can't have that, so if you end up with too many at one position that's when you deal.

I agree with this. I certainly hope they are not tanking AGAIN next year but I wouldn't put anything past this ownership.

Again, my focus was on the pairing of them, not on Dahlin specifically. The two teams cited were for a recent comparison and nothing more. Comparing the way Boston - as a team - played Tampa, to the way we - as a team - played Tampa is a very telling comparison and difference. It accentuates our deficiencies. Deficiencies that will haunt us, even if we get offensively competitive in the future. I really don't know why you can't see that. Question. Do you think being first on the Sabres with hits is very meaningful? We, as a team have the least hits per game in the league. That's a fact. https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask/what-team-has-most-hits-per-game and add to that the simple fact most nights teams don't bother playing physical with us because they simply don't have to. You might not realize this sine you didn't play hockey, but being physical is hard. Really hard. It's hard demanding work and wears you out. You only do it when you have to. WE, are an incredibly soft team. The last sentences, the bolded ones, we agree on, and that was the point I was making. The Dahlin Jokiharju pairing is NOT a good pairing imo. and definitely not a good PK pairing, and that's what I said.