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Has he? What's his numbers if you take away the PP? Sure, but you don't have to draft one yourself, you can trade with a team like Buffalo to get one.

Ya, I'm not suggesting the Flyers are any better right now, just that with all the young team stuff we have, those young players should be producing more. If they aren't, it's a mistake to be relying on them, which I guess we all already know by the standings. This is what Kevyn has given us.

It's not UPL's fault, the D sucks. UPL is inconsistent, but I think he has kept us in more games than lost us games this year. There aren't many players on this roster playing up to their expected level this year is there. I guess you could say Kulich has given more now than expected at this stage but that's about it. There is no one on this roster who I wouldn't consider trading in the right deal. There are no heart and soul guys or untouchables.

Interesting stat on that young thing. I heard in the Flyers game today that the Flyers have the most production from players under the age of 23 of any NHL team. Now a rookie like Michkov skews that obviously but perhaps being young vs. producing at a young age have to be looked at separately. In any event the guys we have talked about most this year are Zucker and McLeod and not the youth.

Likely true, but I see moments of this every year. Players really content or even happy when they are losing. It's a culture thing I don't see on other teams I watch. Very rare at least.

Well if that isn't a nail in the coffin I don't know what is. Maybe I'm nitpicking but it really bugged me that Benson was all smiles after scoring with the goalie pulled making it 4-2. As has been said many times a bunch of individuals with individual achievements and they do not understand winning and losing. All so disappointing and pointless.

Veterans all around, but they're not going to do it that's obvious. They're going to wait for Rochester players to develop and nothing else. In that timeline others will leave and it'll just stay the same unless Pegula gives up and turns it all over to somebody else to run.

There's very little to talk about because the franchise has made it clear they aren't going to do anything. All the we need a 2C we need a defensive partner for Power etc stuff just feels pointless. Only old people with nothing better to do (like myself) or real extreme die hards are left day to day. Sabres are better than Penguins if they play, but those Pittsburgh vets will find a way if Sabres slack, as they often do. Hardly matters either way. Probably better to tank 🙂

Nothing personal, but I don't buy into that. They make tons of mistakes and there doesn't seem to be any consequences for making them. Afraid of some opposing players maybe, but not fear of making mistakes. I think quite a few of them are quite arrogant and they think quite highly of themselves and their abilities. Hence what they do do is break the system and play like individuals too often, that's for sure. For all the talk, there doesn't seem to be any change in accountability this year.

It's fun weird trivia but nothing to be proud of.

Well fair enough, they are so one sided "puck battles" that they really aren't a "battle" I will give you that. They SHOULD be a battle, but they aren't. I'm mostly thinking of a shoot in and they go after it, get to it first or take it away and then the Sabre player just tries to reach for it or he gets bodied off of it. Opponent just turns his body and shields the puck and then they gain control with a pass to an open player down low or back to the point. Greenway actually does battle for it that's true but I wouldn't be surprised if we never see him as a Sabre again.

I think it's less complicated. To me it's just a lack of urgency and physical play. They don't win enough puck battles. They haven't won enough puck battles since game one. They haven't won enough puck battles since I honestly don't know how long, but years. We are at that stage of the year when teams coast in expecting to win easily and we catch them napping. They turn it on at the end maybe and if they have a goalie out and are a goal down they wake up for a bit and battle for pucks. We lose those battles. It's not more complicated than that.

Well I guess that is a memorable first ever hat trick to say the least. He's got a story for his grandkids now. idk, that game was putting me to sleep and I think Carolina came in half asleep but a win is a win.

Sabres can play with these guys and should be able to but they probably won't.

Lots of injuries in his career so at 32 it's risky but the lack of veterans here makes it valuable. Give him 3 years and slap an A on him.

It's a true thing. On the surface it sounds kind of dumb, and it's straight out of Shorsey, but it's also real. I mentioned this last year (or maybe the year before? it all blurs and time flies) that we have guys who love to win but these kids don't hate to lose. The team as a whole accepts losing far too easily and far too quickly. This again, is a leadership problem and the problem with a team of young individual stars.

Damn I just did the same thing. I was hoping...............

We've actually agreed a couple times lately. It is clearly the end times. (or more likely some things these days are just too obvious)

Ruff just sounds so tired and old in every single interview clip. I'm slightly older and he makes me feel spry. I think this is killing him.

Most likely.

It wasn't that simple and in many ways it is similar to what is going on right now with Cozens and others. Sabres did not surround him with the players he needed to develop with and his "leadership" role was thrust upon him too early and too much. He's a different player in Florida and that's because of the players around him and what his role is. They identified his skills and used them properly. He does many of the same things but one step closer, one step harder, etc. because he knows he has support on all levels and so he thrives. The skill level was never in question but the losing and quitting became a thing here as it does for almost every player here. I am almost certain if Cozens gets moved within a year he will be exactly what we wanted him to be on his new team. If we move him to Detroit for example they will slap somebody like Kane on his wing and not some green kid. Sabres have thrust him into a leadership center role and "developed" him carrying young wingers almost exclusively while what he needed was to play between two veterans. Sabres are just a stupid team.

Agreed, but I'm pretty sure Adams will just follow whatever "plan" Pegula decides is right at this moment. If Pegula likes these players and thinks we just need more time than nobody big will be moved. If Pegula is fed up with these players (any number of them) then Adams is off working on his speech/excuses for the post trade(s) press conferences. Pegula might not make every individual hockey decision but he definitely controls the vision and whatever timeline they are currently going to use. At this point I'm 100% sure if Adams said NO to ANY Pegula idea he'd be fired that day. The climate for a firing is ripe after all.

I picked talent, but focusing in on the too young and unprepared for the NHL aspect of that. Their development program sucks and given the complete reliance on the draft you would think they'd have focused on building the best development program possible. But no, they just seem to think these guys will all just get it eventually through trial and error.

Well, since you asked, I guess I'd say no, you don't take it away. I said giving him the C was a mistake and I think I was right, but once it's done it's done and there's no justification to remove it. He's far from being the main problem. I will say this though, in the tear down, when they ditched Reinhart Eichel and Risto I wondered if Dahlin should have been in that tear down group as he had a lot of losing stink on him too since he started so young. I wondered if he could escape that mindset they were trying to clear out or if he'd fall back into accepting losing too easily and drag others into that along the way. idk, too late now, but maybe another tear down and a different rebuild is the only answer long term. I just don't know. It's hard to believe it's still not working.

This is true, Columbus has used their picks to draft a wide array of different types of players and we have many times drafted the same guy over and over which leaves us lacking in many areas. We assumed the idea was BPA and then trade the duplicates but so far little of that has taken place. Savoie out with Benson in as mentioned but that's about it.