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Are you saying Miller is a 3rd pairing D? I'll respectfully disagree. I think he is a solid top 4 D with some good physical attributes. He adds some offense and is ok defensively (but an improvement on nearly everyone on the Sabres). With the right partner, he'd be a major improvement for the Sabres. The problem is Power isn't that partner, but Dahlin could be.

So how does this "rumor" square with trading away JJP and Byram rumors? Are we going to trade them for prospects and then trade those prospects for other players? Odds of Adams completing such a deal are about zero.

Currently at Modern English, Softcell and Simple Minds. Modern English just finished up.

The next Hagel.

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2025/06/marco-rossis-contract-demand-becoming-a-roadblock.html#ref=home Rossi allegedly wants 7 yrs 49 million. Minn offering 5 yrs 25 mill. Rossi is 23 with 101 pts in 185 NHL games. He went 24g 36a for 60 pts in 82 games. He’ll be 24 starting next season. Peterka is 23, and won’t turn 24 until next January. He has 150 pts in 234 games including 27g 41a last season. F - Rossi. Keep and pay JJP and find D help.

He is certainly willing to make deals, but which major young player did he trade away? https://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_GM/Jarmo_Kekalainen/135/4 I went through all four pages of his trade history and only saw one proven high end young talent developed in the CBJ system that he traded away. I see plenty of acquisitions of proven talent like Duchene, Panarin and Saad. The closest to a JJP trade would have been Johansen for Seth Jones. This was a swap of former top 4 picks. At the time CBJ was in desperate need of talented young puck moving D. We don't have such a need. That 1 high level young player trades in 10 years as GM. I'm sorry, but I don't see Jarmo advising Adams to move JJP.

I don’t see Jarmo believes in trading away his best young players.

Just saw the news. This is a perfectly good choice. Now will Adams listen? I doubt it, but you never know. I’d say the odds of JJP being traded just dropped.

There are 4 “core” type players who should be moved this summer and JJP isn’t one of them. You don’t trade away your best young offensive talent. The players they need to move our guys who aren’t living up to their contracts or our surplus talent. Those four guys are Power (or Byram), Samuelsson, UPL and maybe Quinn. That’s it. The truth is the odds favor trading Byram and maybe Quinn. All the stories about JJP hating it here, Dahlin yelling him, JJP can’t play two way etc are all just noise and the odds JJP is getting trading are about 5% or less. Seriously who are you replacing him with if traded for D help? Quinn? Rosen? Benson? Kulich? If not them, then you’d have to bring in someone else without an NTC/NMC. Good luck finding someone without trade protection with JJP’s production.

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Click bait.

Sabres hire an actual legit senior advisor like LL or Dudley etc

It was also great for Tage to play in some meaningful games.

The big 5 teams are all in the same situation. It actually gives the smaller hockey countries an advantage. Why should it come with an asterisk?

Tage ends the shutout and wins the gold for team USA in OT. First Worlds win for USA since the 1930's.

When does Adams ever make sense? As to Rosen, he has value. Maybe it's just a 2nd or 3rd pick, maybe it's a depth NHLer, but he has value. The guys had 55 pts in 61 AHL games and has 6 pts (5 goals) in 7 playoff games. He also just turned 22. Savoie got us McLeod and Savoie's production this year was 54 pts in 66 AHL games. His NHL numbers are nearly identical to Rosens 5gms 1 ast -4. He is 21. That said, this is a D thread. Would you trade either of the young Russian D as part of a deal to get a veteran D?

Miller has 427 blocks and 568 hits over the last 4 seasons (106 blks and 142 hits per season). He is certainly a more physical player than Byram and is a better fit with Dahlin than either Byram or Power. Byram in his two full NHL season has 220 blocks and 169 hits (110 blks and 85 hits per season). As you have pointed out, pretty much anyone can play with Dahlin. Also adding Miller allows Dahlin to play on the right side where he is most comfortable. The handedness issue really goes to a pairing with Power. Power needs to play on the left side. Adding a Soucy (an RHD) or an Orlov (LHD, but plays R effectively as well) gets Power what he needs. JBD is also a RHD.

Amen Brother. @JohnC raised a trade idea on another thread that I like as well that I think belongs here. What about K'Andre Miller for Byram as the basis of a trade with the Rags. The Rags could use a 2nd offensively gifted D behind Fox and the Sabres could use a good skating physical D with some scoring ability to play with Dahlin as I outlined above. Both are RFAs with Byram likely garnering a slightly larger contract. The Rags need to save some cap space, so the Sabres would likely need to get a contract back. The Rags acquired Soucy in a trade with Van late last season. He has one year left @3.25 but has a NTC. If Adams could convince Soucy to come, Miller and Soucy for Byram and an a prospect would be a deal I'd make in a minute. We'd have to find a taker for Clifton and Samuelsson, but I think that's possible. Dahlin - Miller Power - Orlov JBD - Soucy Bryson

I think Byram for Miller is the start of a very possible trade. I don't think they'll trade Borgen as they just extended him for 5 years @4.1. The Rags top 2 D if they trade Miller to us would be Schneider and Fox. They could use a second offensively gifted D like Byram to play with Borgen as part of their 2nd pair. I think they like the 3rd pair of Soucy and Vaakanainen. However, If the Rags need to balance out the money or achieve some cap savings, they could trade us Soucy (NTC) or Vaakanainen and then they'd have room to extend Zac Jones who actually average more PT per game last season with the Rags than Vaakanainen or Soucy. It's funny that you posted this idea here, as I was just about to post something similar in the new Defense thread.

As @Archie Lee pointed out, I think there are 3 holdovers worth keeping; Dahlin, Power (or Byram, but not both) & JBD. 1a) I like Gavrikov, but think he'll re-sign where he is. 1b) Trade for K'Andre Miller. A big physical LHD with decent offense. I'd think he'd thrive playing with Dahlin. Capwages estimates 6 for 6. I'd so that in a minute. I think his game has another level and playing with Dahlin will get him there. Allows Dahlin to play the right side where Dahlin is more comfortable. 2a) I'd go after Orlov. He's a UFA & L/R D. A solid two D and still playing 20 minutes a night. At 34, his career is on the downside, but he's still at 25 pt guys and still takes the body. I think he'd be a great fit with Power and a mentor for our two young Russian D. Also has a Cup and 104 games of playoff experience. Capwages estimate is 3 for 5.8. A little steep, but this end up being our best option if he's interested. 3a) Sign Perbix from TB - RHD physical D with some scoring. A think he's an upgrade on JBD. 3b) Trade for Carson Soucy from the Rags. 1 year left at 3.25 (but has an NTC). 4a) Veteran Depth Jan Rutta. I think this group needs a proven mentor who can still play. Rutta is that kind of player.

Here we are 21 pages into this thread and the board continues to primarily focus on "fixing" the forwards. Other than a few passing references to Demko, I've almost no ideas on how to elevate our goaltending which has sucked since Ullmark left town. It is ironic that Ottawa found a way to get Ullmark; Ottawa a franchise nearly as moribund as the Sabres, and immediately made the playoffs. There has also been precious little on fixing the inept defense besides the reality that Byram is being traded as some point this summer. I have seen discussions on getting Schneider (a 23 year old solid all around D with size) and he'd be a coup for the Sabres. Also some chatter on trying to acquire Dobson. However, not to much else. I admit I'm over simplifying. Considering that the poor defense and goaltending are the primary reasons we missed the playoffs, I'm a little surprised a how overweighed on the forwards. I also admit that there are significantly more options in the forward universe, but it seems we are looking in the wrong place to fix this mess. One goalie I can see Adams signing is Anton Forsberg. He has spent the last 4 plus years in Ottawa, in a UFA, and in 142 games for the Sens he has a .905 save % and a 2.99 gaa. Considering how poor Ottawa's D was most of the those seasons those are very good numbers. He'd certainly compete for the starting job with UPL and Levi and at worst would be a huge upgrade as a backup over Reimer. I would love to see a run at Demko.

Maybe, but we still need to unload 3-4 of our current D.

Fix the D and goaltending and if there is any cap left over that address the forwards. We can't Leaf our way to the next level (my reference he is Toronto wasting money on Tavares when they needed defense and goaltending).