Thorny

But what we do next season doesn’t have retroactive bearing on whether we could have made it, this season. Unless you mean like, “oh if all we were going to amount to is 95 points, we should have sold off a little more to get the job done last year.”? I suppose I understand that, I mean I’m disappointed we didn’t make it this season, too. But if we only amount to 95 points the idea we could have easily shifted to change our fortunes this season, with no regards to butterfly effect doesn’t really jive to me. I think personally I’d just see this season as the 16 point jump that facilitated a 4 point, makeable jumping distance for next season

We can define the “next step” as whatever but is anyone really going to be disappointed if we tally 95 and squeak in next year? Not I. Sign me the eff up. It’ll have been 13 years. A good chunk of my total life span. If we have learned anything along the way it’s that we shouldn’t take entrance into that second season for granted. I could easily foresee a scenario where internal growth is offset by fewer career years next season. Just get in.

Was just being facetious, using the “most hated team” phrasing I’ve seen used around these parts. That’s why my follow up said “I don’t really.” My standing on this board re: the Jets is pretty well documented over 8 years now. No I don’t hate them. Yes I root against them tbh I functionally root against all the Canadian teams. Too much over saturation of my media market, for me. The Jets obviously take the cake on this front so hold a special place in my psyche. Sometimes even rent free. Once the Sabres defeated them on track suit night, the feeling honestly died away, though. Now it’s more in fun

I’m sorry you find the term “radio silence” offensive. For my part, calling a specific argument “ham handed” is a little different than saying there’s “something wrong” with how someone thinks, but in all honesty, I don’t mind, i wasn’t/am not offended. I get that a lot so I’m used to it. As for the numbers thing, give me one sec

Yes? It’s detailed in the article you didn’t read

@SDS you are following along, yes? It’s just joking around, or whatever? Statements like “Eichel has not added *anything* to their success” fit along with that? Because that is what is being argued. He hasn’t added anything. By all means go off

You do realize your facts are all wrong? Sabres recorded 59 points after the Eichel trade last year, Vegas recorded 67. Vegas also had 20 more this season. Like, in reference to your comment that sabres have been better than Vegas since, in other post

The Knights were significantly better than the Sabres this year, dude. Vegas falling off the map last year in the second half because half their team was injured isn’t revelatory. If you come back with something noteworthy, we can try again

TLDR you get to be Gandalf tldrr you get to be the good wizard guy

They only “haven’t amounted to anything” from your perspective because you never imposed a ridiculous ceiling on him to begin with. This is what I’m trying (and, yet again, failing) to explain cohesively: I don’t have an issue with your framing. But for many, “anything” included *even the ability* to be the best player on a good team, a good playoff team. It was said he wasn’t good enough to be the focal point of a playoff team, that the Sabres would in fact make the playoffs before Vegas. These are also not the most extreme things said. Under the prism of these statements, yes, he assuredly has achieved something

We may indeed be two sides of Saruman but assuredly *you* are Saruman-as-he-should-have-been

The accomplishments are relative to the folks saying that he was such a cancer they’d never be able to amount to anything with him there. That he was an organization-crippling cancer. These are things that were actually being argued and said in presumable good faith. I’m not sure how you can share this board with me for so long and launch yourself into this conversation in opposition to me when from the very beginning I’ve always been clear that it was those extreme, logic defying takes that rankled. When is the last time I quoted you on this issue? If you can’t see the difference in the takes I have issue with, I’m not sure how to explain it further like if you want to pretend all these Jack takes on your side are created equal, I can’t do that. You are forgetting how extremely off base things became, how absurd the projections of his future career became. I can’t do that

I think you’d be better off following through with the other, more permanent request I made regarding my account

Read the post I quoted and tell me it’s not trying (and admittedly WOEFULLY failing) to make a logical case to take away from his accomplishment I don’t hate the Jets. I don’t really hate anything. I also rarely post about the Jets

“Already one of the more gifted offensive players in the league, Eichel was never seen as a defensive option. Being the top-line center on a Cassidy-coached team comes with that responsibility at both ends of the ice. Eichel had the best defensive season of his career this year, recording a plus-26 rating at 5-on-5 and a career-high 46 takeaways. “I’m not surprised. He’s been arguably our best defensive forward in terms of closing in our end, being on time, killing plays,” Cassidy said. “I just think he’s bought in with what we’re trying to get him to do.”“ great article on how well Jack has rounded out his full hockey game. Apologies because POITZ aren’t mentioned https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2023/apr/18/entering-first-playoff-run-jack-eichel-leads-golde/

I have a lot of fun explaining to these guys how throughly they’ve twisted themselves into a pretzel through poor logic Make no mistake, this is now an Eichel thread

I used to be sad because of how vile the targeted comments around here got, directed towards JE. Now what makes me a little sad is the total lack of self awareness Exactly Ya, I had stopped doing this all year. I really thought it was over. That’s ok im thinking I’m back

You are completely proving my point. A ham handed, one sided skew that takes so little context into the equation as to render your opinion truly meaningless. Rampant bias. I suppose I thought “radio silence” because I’ve been staying out of the jack discussions on here during the year, I only assumed since he was having such a good season, best player on the best team in the west (this is where so much bias comes in - you’ll do anything other than admit he’s been the best player on a very good team - that he WAS capable of being that all along. That we didn’t construct that scenario here is a Sabres problem, not a Jack problem), that we WOULD be getting radio silence as you folks have been objectively proven so definitively wrong. I suppose I underestimated your ability to fib to yourself The fact we had so many guys with POINTZ and they did not, yet they are in first, and we are not, shows how lacking your analysis is of what you need to construct both a winning team and successfully bind players to that formula You are totally blind if you haven’t noticed the fact that Vegas missing the playoffs last season was met with “coach killer, cancer”. Yet the knights solidly making it this year was met with “meh, just along for the ride.” It makes me disappointed for your posting quality

“Run it back”

Dahlin will definitely come in at a shade below 10 per. Over 8 years, of course

Dude winnipeg has been ass in the playoffs all but one season. I see them a lot. I’ll continue rooting on their downfall as my most hated team the Jack doesn’t elevate in playoffs after 1 game is just more painfully evident bias he also wasn’t good enough to be the best player on a playoff team and Buffalo was going to make it first. It’s just endless goal post moving.

2/3 3/3 woulda had us in oh well, hopefully next season

I’m not sure fairness ever applies but it would feel ridiculously unfair to get poached already when we are just finding our way, after searching for so long. That’s the world of business I guess. Hope they can shuffle to avoid it, owner’s money could be key here

And, yes, I understand the playbook. All the good stuff was “team effort”, all the bad stuff is “a cancer inflicting the whole team”. So, the good is only correlation and the bad is only causation. It’s a position that’s impossible to logically square, ie, it’s simply rampant bias, but, I do get it. At the very least it’s convenient

I think you are probably projecting because 9/10 of your posts involve some long diatribe evaluating other posters/fans