Thorny

I agree. I’d be skeptical of the strong degree of evaluation certainty that would necessarily follow, say, taking Robert over Peca: ie like you allude to guys at 11 are going to be ballpark in that sense so it would require an extreme case (benson I guess) to trust defaulting to a bPA pick there when positional discrepancy was glaring - - - reminds me of your comments on Byram “not normally being available” for what we paid. Cause what, Avs had a surplus? If we go ahead and take a redundant talent and we end up trading, doesn’t it likely end up a similar “normally we wouldn’t even MOVE the asset for this!” Situation I don’t like that

The idea is that you take the best player on YOUR list, but there should be more awareness of the hubris at play, here: so much of it is guessing. To act like you’ll absolutely get better value with the first choice on your list than your second or third is already dicey. In the early stages of a rebuild imo it’s all about CEILING CEILING CEILING but at the stage we are now, I am of the opinion it would absolutely make sense to “hedge” your bet by picking up an extra asset, locking/banking in some value right away, and then taking a player who has a non-negligible chance of being as good WITH the position premium there’s literally a discussion going on in another thread with a strong strong “hold your horses, finding good trades can be hard” narrative yet the prevailing wisdom of BPA still shines over here. The 2 need to be reconciled

The idea is that other teams will also value those assets less, though. It’s hard to say which it will be but trade the asset that grants the most valuable return I would also prefer to trade the things I care less about novel idea

More less one of the steps you need to get to in joining the ranks of the good teams. “We have too many prospects for nhl spaces” isn’t a unique problem to Buffalo it’s the commonplace result of icing a competent roster. We are just HYPER unfamiliar. Those players don’t need to be in the NHL. If they need to be, they’d force their way block or not It’s the difference between the teams that say “ahhh injuries, what could we have even done?” And those that finish top 16

There’s a draft literally every year. This is absolutely a (far) secondary concern to maximizing whatever trade you make, should you make one Im just trying to keep up. So “don’t expect trades”, but also, “BPA, sort it out through the trade market” Ah

I’d rather they have an opinion than toe the company line - particularly when their opinion is correct Teams absolutely value the 11th pick

Only works well in theory. Don’t know how anyone could think otherwise when you can read the trade threads detailing how JJ Peterka is off limits for us and Kaako is off limits for the Rangers etc etc. ALL we hear about is how difficult trades for ACTUAL good players are due to the mechanics of deals and the fact that players don’t want to come to Buffalo. “Collect what you can and use the trade market to balance it all out” *is* an online GM simulator thing. It only works in theory. It works in practice to an *extent* - but we aren’t the team that can go up there and take an offensively obsessed puck moving D. It’s just an added degree of difficulty and asset imbalance that it would be incredibly hubristic to saddle our GM with, when he clearly has enough to deal with already “BPA full-stop” and “it takes 2 to tango” are used one over the other on this board and clearly represent a team building issue - - - If we refuse to trade the pick outright and refuse to budge on our list, complete the trade at the draft when it’s easiest and feasible and move down a few spots: you can take the best player on your list there, with better positional fitting, for what amounts to a likely small talent analysis difference (when you are basically hoping and praying, anyways - no one really knows if you’ll get a better player at 11 or 13) and pick up an asset in the process: granting you full value

this is the type of pick that would have me quite convinced we are hooked up to a simulation designed to torment - - - For the record, BPA doesn’t strictly apply anymore. You can’t just apply a generalization across all cases indiscriminately: the sabres are *clearly* an outsider case at this time, deserving of a nuanced approach. We already NEED to move prospects, you can’t just go up there and take the exact same guy in the mold of your 2 best assets and the guy you just traded your best C for

What I think of the remaining 8 teams

You only get crap offers if there aren’t multiple teams competing. I’d imagine something like a high first rounder would have plenty of interest. There’s no selling low on a pick, there’s no sabres stench on it A bunch of teams were out on Eichel from the get go cause of the preferred surgery aspect

If it’s a legitimate question at some point we’ve done well on that front imo

On the other hand

An angry fanbase, indeed. But perhaps the most united I’ve seen the fanbase, the media (whisper of…the organization?) since…the tank? Even more united? (I once supported the tank and now admit it was folly). Is this where we needed to get to, to heal?

As far as the collective it’s called “the Saborg” - - - As for the bold: I’ll pay more attention moving forward

It’s not real anger ..That comes in the SECOND ROUND DISCUSSION THREAD

Also, at least 60% of what I post is some sort of joke. Like actually that’s my obvious aim a lot. Sure I flip my lid sometimes but it’s not all one sided. Plenty of posters going the humour route, actually. I think you have a point that there’s some angrier anger at times, and less posting, but I’d also respectfully submit that you are somewhat biased in what you are seeing because of your more neutral position. I can speak from experience: relative to how this team makes me feel, I come to this board specifically cause it makes me laugh and enjoy things more. I don’t think I’m especially off base for suggesting you don’t have quite an accurate reading of the board at large: you suggested as recently as yesterday that you “may have worn out your welcome” and I can objectively say you’d be the poster *furthest from doing so* if you polled the board

You aren’t making anyone angry, relax. Any downturn in posting is down to the team being bad for 13 years. You know, the enormous elephant in the room. There used to be MORE arguing here. Not less. That’s the point

Yes I did indeed use the word “butthurt”

You can’t convincingly argue it’s a meaningless distinction when your view yields an untradeable ….JJ Peterka, and mine argues for trading Dahlin (my favourite player) should an appropriate deal present itself.

Is this the first time since this version of the lotto was implemented that happened?

Start with, “everyone is available for the right price” and go from there

The lottery did NOT draw ratings in this thread lol - - - So it’s all about Iginla?

Sharks

Bouncy balls holding true NOT CHICAGO ANYONE BUT CHICAGO

Needs a haircut. already not interested