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It's insane. There's a legit argument somebody is going to overpay and he won't be worth that particular contract, but he's a heck of a player.

I think Demers would be more expensive, but not prohibitively so. Another 2nd or a second tier prospect maybe.

I'm sorry, you're right, that was over the top. But there's nothing that makes my blood burn more than judging individuals by team metrics, especially in freaking hockey. Edit: I'm also not entirely sure GMs look at raw dollars. Keep in mind, they always talk about contracts becoming a better value as the cap increases--at the very least, they're implicitly aware of contracts relative to the cap ceiling.

You're crazy. Also possibly drunk. But definitely crazy.

I'm talking about the points and playoffs thing. It reeked of Harrington's "Eichel needs to score more goals, his assists don't count enough" trope from when Eichel had like 2 goals and 13 assists over 15 games.

Honestly, I'd have believed those were the actual stats :lol:

I don't think too many are going to argue with this. I think a coach he doesn't hate and the captaincy* will help this along. *I officially want to move out the old leadership core. Though I think Gionta can still play, he was captain while that locker room was a disaster.

If I throw an empty beer bottle into my monitor tonight, it's your fault. This is Mike Harrington-esque argumentation.

I don't think the forwards will produce less--I think they'll produce more (as a group). I do think we'll be giving up more goals, so the question is whether the offense grows more than the goals against regresses.

I would not. That'd make me nervous as hell.

:lol: I'd say "DAMN PHONE" but it was a pretty awesome typo.

I think you missed my previous post.

Using raw dollars to judge value is apples to oranges. Percentage of the cap is the only way to go.

No and no. But I also disagree with the gist of your argument. If Jack signs for $9M, even with a relatively flat cap increase of $1M for 2018-19, he'd only be at 11.8% of the cap. One of your favorite comparisons, Tarasenko, was at 10.3% of the cap. So Jack would be more, but not insanely so. Crosby was at 14.5%, Malkin at 14.8%, Ovechkin at 16.8%. How about this one: Phil Kessel at 12.4%. I'm hoping to get Jack at $8M or so, that would be 10.5% of a $76M cap. Arguably below his current value, to say nothing of future value.

I assume he meant Kalinin.

Love it. But... Then the plane crashes, we finish last, and don't have a Dahlin lottery ticket. Because Buffalo amirite.

This is why places like hockey reference exist :lol:

Plus, this offseason Tallon has gotten himself on the list of GMs I want to trade with.

Yea, he posted like 935 SV% (going off memory here) those runs.

Yes yes yes yes yes! Big fan!

Good calls. Ron Hextall may like him some Lehner.

God dammit!

His name got associated with the Lundqvist class based on one season and a couple of hot playoff runs. But his career numbers, both regular season and playoffs, are wonderfully average. To be able to do that yearly is good, but his reputation outstrips his play by a pretty good clip.

Interesting. Wonder if there was something to those trader murmurs--Johnson and Ullmark combined probably get what, little more than half of what Lehner may? But what team even needs a starting goalie right now?

Overrated is a style? Heyoooo.