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You said 1/4 of women ages 18-24 were assaulted. When 1/5 of women in college had experienced attempted or completed sexual assault. Please own up to how you completely fabricated a statistic. The study is fine, because they explain where that number came from.

Best I could find for an explanation is that they asked them this question: Has anyone attempted but not succeeded in having sexual contact with you by using or threatening to use physical force against you? Here's the link: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.3200/JACH.57.6.639-649 EDIT: This is how they define sexual contact:

You said "I might have been a little high." I don't care when you're doing your drugs. 1/5 of undergrad females having experienced attempted or completed sexual assault is significantly different from 1/4 if women having been assaulted. Mainly because there's no shorthand for what an attempted sexual assault is. That makes the stat next to useless when considering what overall percentage of women might have been assaulted.

Your original stat was "1 out of 4 women between the age of 18-24 will be sexually assaulted," but from the information you provided, the stat should have been "1 out of 5 undergraduate females experiences attempted or completed sexual assault since entering college."

That says 37.4% of female rape victims were first raped between the ages of 18-24. Then the second stat says 19% of undergraduate women (in "a study" unspecified) experienced attempted or completed sexual assault since entering college. EDIT: The study is specified in the report "Krebs CP, Linquist CH, Warner TD, Fisher BS, Martin SL. College women’s experiences with physically forced, alcohol- or other drug-enabled, and drug-facilitated sexual assault before and since entering college. Journal of American College Health 2009; 57(6):639-647." I looked through it a bit. The sample of women they got were from "2 large 4-year universities" ~45% of applicable women from those schools participated in the survey. So there's the sample size.

@Hoss You're right that the clothes off thing wasn't in the original text, it was that they had gotten into bed.

That's not what "the momentum" here seems to be. You are taking some comments considering a hypothetical situation out of context and running with it. The proposed hypothetical scenario is this:

Well, in this particular hypothetical scenario the girl has taken her clothes off to have sex and then silently decided not to have sex... and then didn't vocalize her decision and still had sex? It's a pretty silly hypothetical, but Sizzle didn't come up with it, nor is he saying anything even close to the bolded. Be careful about putting words into people's mouths, and then being enraged about them. This is almost exactly what Sizzle was talking about with his "making posters into monsters" stuff.

I see what you meant now. And don't be sorry, thread derails are a part of life on this board. (and my remark was just as much responsible)

I'd be one of those kids laughing up a storm. Bandwidth! Precious bandwidth!

See above post.

That's not my viewpoint. That was a counter point to the blanket statement "It takes an amazingly strong willed and determined person to kill them selves" People in all kinds of different situations commit suicide for different reasons. If somebody commits (or attempts to commit) suicide, I don't believe that's a reflection of their character in any way.

Hey, thanks for that assumption. I just read an article about Jared's arrest. His accomplice attempted to kill himself in the jail cell. Do you think he failed at killing himself because he wasn't determined enough? Or because he didn't have the tools available to him in a cell? Internet black and white disclaimer: I'm not saying everybody who commits suicide is weak willed. But to say that it takes a strong willed and determined person to commit suicide? That's not true.

Or it takes a weak willed person that feels as though there's no other way to turn.

I'm Samson and Eichel are as good as we hope, Evander is going to establish himself as one of the league's premier power forwards. Remember how good Crosby made Chris freakin' Kunitz look? (hi GoDD)

This is the first I heard about Jared getting busted. Being a super familiar face and having committed that crime? Prison won't be pleasant for him. No... it doesn't?

Oh, the sky is falling, make no mistake. I just want you all to freak about the right thing! Whiskey knows what it's like.

Wahh wahh wahh injuries. Get a grip you guys. It's like a month to the homopener. Football players are injured all the time. QB play is our season.

Elijah Wood? You mean Daniel Radcliffe? He's been getting work, it's just been primarily on the stage.

That is exactly what happened.

This is what I'm getting at. Most internet forums are 90% + dudes from what I can tell from personal experience. I wasn't implying that any of the many great posts from males in this thread are less important.

The reason why posters (myself included) are lending more credence to Josie's post is that we're discussing something that most of us don't have a lot of direct experience to draw upon. Even more importantly, we're not women, so there's a fundamental difficulty that we have in perceiving the problems related to rape culture. Josie has a tell. Whenever she's about to drop a good post, she self deprecates aboots how her posts aren't all that. So we also all want her to break out of that particular shell. If she could post twice as much and d4rk half as much...

They could've easily cut his character down to 4 episodes without removing any content from his story. He and Anti should've been supporting characters (and he definitely could've been cut entirely, as you say).

DAAAARRRCCCCYYY *shakes fist*

TL;DR: They tried to tell too many stories with too many plot points. Ultimately it failed, but the final product is full of passion. They were very careful not to spend time examining themes and character archetypes that were covered in Season 1. I can't help but have respect for that kind of failure. I'm going to outline some of the major themes and plot threads, then I'm going to analyze each character arc and break down what I think they were trying to do (and where they went wrong). The Themes: Major themes present in all 4 main characters' arcs are 1) Identity/Where you come from 2) Struggling with demons from the past 3) RAAAAAAGE 4) Corruption (both literal and of the soul) 5) Velcoro and Frank both have relationship/sexual reproduction angst - Anti and Taylor Kitsch both have sexual repression/expression angst The Plot Threads: Episode 1- This episode tries to start almost every single thread that ends up being important to the central plot. It also tries to emotionally establish every main character except for Frank. What results is probably the worst episode of the season. Anti- She starts her arc with some sexual disagreement with a partner. Instead of talking about her problems she just pushes him away and puts the blame on him. Her troubled relationship with her father and sister are separately covered in this episode. She pushes both of them away, but we get some information about her character from each interaction. When Anti speaks to her dad, we learn that her mom dies and she blames him for it. He goes all psychiatrist and tells Anti that her entire personality is all just a criticism of his values. When Anti has sister family time, she unnecessarily uses a police raid to bust up her sister's job (which is a totally legal webcam porn site). Her sister is reasonably pissed off, to which Anti's response is life criticism. The way she treats her sister echoes a parent that can't express themselves and tries to force their children to become better people by force. Taylor Kitsch- Wants to get back on the bike, doesn't care for his girlfriend, and is suicidal. He also has a dark past involving injuries from Iraq. He accidentally finds Ben Kaspere's body at the end, starting the plot. That's pretty much it. Velcoro- We learn about his strained relationship (more like a connection that only exists because of the kid) with his ex wife, informed by how terrible a father he is. We also learn that Velcoro has some very messed up ideas related to what he's owed when somebody "crosses him." In a flash back we get the story of how he and Frank became boyfriends. Frank supposedly gave him the name of the man that raped his wife. The flashback also serves to juxtapose present day burnout Velcoro with clear-eyed rage induced Velcoro of the days of yore. This was the character I was most intrigued by after the first episode. Despite (maybe even because of) his brutal retribution against the schoolyard bully. You get a first hint of how black and white Velcoro has allowed himself to see the world. "12 years old and you're already evil as f*ck." Yeah, ok, Velcoro. Frank- The foundation for his character is barely laid in this episode. Most of Frank's scenes are exposition about this land deal that he's involved in (and the players: Kaspere, Blake, Osip). What we do learn about Frank is that he's in the money now, but he didn't used to be. We get some warmth between him and his wife, but also sense some distance there as well. Frank's character isn't activated until he finds out that Kaspere's dead, so this entire episode isn't really about him. Other stuff we learn: -Elvis is Anti's partner. They both go to serve an eviction and Anti gets guilted into looking for a woman's missing sister. -Dixon is a fat disgusting blob monster (and is also Velcoro's partner). They both go talk to Kaspere's secretary (who ends up being Kaspere's daughter and the brother of birdman) and check out his house. -A bird man has a dead man in his car. That dead man is Ben Kaspere. -There are 3 different police departments that all want different things. They have power over our protagonists and are forcing their hands. So you can start seeing the root of the problem. They tried to roll all of this up into 1 hour of television. I remember after first watching it I couldn't say if it was bad or good. There was no context to judge most of the scenes, and juggling 4 different cold openings is really tough for both the viewer and the story teller. I dig the highway motif. It's an interesting way of visually communicating "Yes, there's a bunch of plots weaved together, but they're all going to the same place." Did they deliver on that promise? Eh, nah.