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  1. 9 minutes ago, dudacek said:

    Some of this seems to be more hindsight though.

    Last year’s team could score with the best of them, but couldn’t keep the puck out of its own net. It had just improved by 16 points.

    Is that the context that cries for changing coaches?

    Adams brought in Johnson and Clifton and Greenway to address the goals-against and penalty-killing issues.

    He decided he was better off waiting for someone to emerge from his trio of goalies than bringing in an outsider.

    And he (my opinion) bet that he could bring in Pat Kane to fill the Quinn hole while leaning on Olofsson as his backup plan.

    He did not foresee his 4 top scorers all falling of as dramatically as they did, which - far more than any of the above - killed this year’s team.

    To me, it’s an excuse to say Adams wasn’t trying to make the playoffs this year.

    Semantics maybe, but in my opinion, his failures were failures of execution, not conviction.

    Teams essentially secure their playoff births before Christmas.  Even if KAs plan was to add Kane, he wouldn’t be available before Christmas. So if that was part if a playoff plan, it was a ***** stupid plan given the loss of Quinn’s offense.

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  2. 30 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

     

    I want to see a departure from the Sabres norm.  Berube, Boudreau, a successful coach let go by another organization this offseason. A move that says that Terry has had enough and wants to get serious about fixing this mess.

    I’ll prefer this.  But if the org is insistent on keeping Granato it has to be on the condition he has a Rick Bowness type assistant and a another veteran assistant coach.  I might be OK with bringing Appert up as long as there is well tenured, successful coach (in the NHL) as the other assistant.

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  3. 1 hour ago, French Collection said:

    Lefty here so I followed those guys more.

    Mickelson was my guy for 30 years even though I wasn’t a big fan of his on screen personality. I understand his move to LIV financially, but it was a bit of a stomach punch the way he handled it.

    In the Jack vs Tiger debate I am in Jack’s camp because of longevity and top 3’s,  top 10’s and such.

    I gained alot of respect for Michelson watching a Wednesday practice round for the PGA Championship at Oak Hill in 2003.  Lefty and Daly were paired up.  I don’t remember which par 5, but they came up to the tee box and pulled 3 woods out of their bag.  The small crowd around the tee box booed loudly.  Phil and John chatted very briefly and grabbed their drivers.  The crowd cheered, and they put on a brief show.

    Phil used to get it.  Daly always did.  It appears that Michelson’s self importance has taken over.  I don’t have that respect for him anymore.

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  4. 19 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

    Don't try to argue with the TM apologists.  It's just not worth the effort.   

    This is the height of hyperbole.  Noone is suggesting Murray made good choices.  Demonstrably, he selected poorly, both at the draft, and who he chose to trade for picks/prospects.  But that wasn’t the point of conversation.  The point of conversion was regarding whether Murray traded away too any picks, and it is a fact that he made more draft picks than we were granted through normal means. 

    3 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

    Yes he did.  Compare the quality of his draft picks to Jbot and KA.  He drafted horribly.  How many top 3 round busts did he draft?  Nylander, Cornel, Asplund, Guhle, Pu, Fitzgerald, Johansson, Martin, and Karabacek.  In fact, his best top 3 round pick after Eichel & Reinhart is Lemieux and he said he wanted out before he even got here.  TM’s only draft pick on the roster is VO and he is in the pressbox most nights.  

    Noone is arguing about the quality of Murray’s choices.  Do you even context?

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  5. 1 hour ago, Archie Lee said:

    Murray was hired Jan 9, 2014.  Most of the tear down started before he got here.  The only big piece that he traded was Miller, who along with Ott netted some pieces and a 2015 1st.  As someone else mentioned he also then moved Moulson for a couple of 2nds.

    The thing that happened under Murray's watch, and it isn't clear if this was entirely his plan or if he was instructed to accelerate the rebuild and then tried to do so as best he could, is he moved out four players (Armia, Grigorenko, Zadorov and Compher) recently drafted in rd 1 and 2, and the 1st rd picks that we got for Vanek and Miller, and Myers, Stafford, Lemieux and a 2nd, to return Kane, Bogosian, O'Reilly and Lehner.  It's debatable whether he got good value; I would argue no, as I think only O'Reilly was both very good talent and a person without (much) baggage.  At the time of the trade though, it served to do two things:

    1.) It negatively impacted our organizational depth

    2.) It made us negligibly better in the short-term, which served primarily to drop our draft position in 2016 and 2017.  Now, we might have ended up drafting Olli Juolevi and Cody Glass, but we also could have ended up with Matthew Tkachuk and Cale Makar.

    If the argument is that Botterill was worse, I won't quibble.

     

     

     

     

    And if the argument is Murray made poor decisions with the assets we had, I won’t quibble either, but he demonstrably did not squander draft picks. He did trade away and acquire them like the currency they are, and he used more to make draft selections than the team was naturally allotted during his tenure.

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  6. 2 minutes ago, Derrico said:

    How many times has this been refuted?  Who is refuting it?  He traded a ton of draft capital in his short tenure.  I'm not sure how its even debatable. 

    https://www.audacy.com/wgr550/articles/opinion/sabres-still-paying-sins-tim-murray

     

    Thorny and a couple others have well documented it in these pages.  Jason Botteril was much more responsible for using draft capital in trades than Murray ever was.

    Go back and look at the number of drafts picks Murray used on drafting players during his tenure.

    In 2014 Murray made 9 draft picks, including 1 first, 3 seconds, 2 thirds

    in 2015 he made 6 picks.  He didn’t have a 3rd rounder

    In 2016 he made 10 picks, including a 1st, a 2nd, and 2 thirds.

    In 2017, 6 picks including a first, 2 seconds, and a third.

     

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  7. On 3/11/2024 at 11:21 AM, That Aud Smell said:

     

    Dahlin is the team's best player, signed to the biggest contract. If history is prelude, he will be made captain. I've come to conclude that he lives too much in his own head and otherwise lacks the intangibles needed to effectively serve in the role.

    Anti-Euro bias? Or you can’t let go of 18yr old Rasmus?

  8. 6 hours ago, dudacek said:

    He did it because he was the Rick Martin Award winner.

    Anyone who doesn't think it's going to be Dahlin hasn't been paying attention.

    Neither has anyone who doesn't think it should be Dahlin.

    I honestly wonder if there's some weird mix of Euro-bias and people who are still thinking of 18-year-old Dahlin when this conversation happens.

    He's the best player, the hardest worker, the guy who sticks his nose in the most, and the guy who cares the most.

    I hope the "stand-up for his teammates" crowd was watching how that meeting of the minds at the end of tonight's game got started.

    If his name Stemhavolinski and he had a five-o'clock shadow the poll would be unanimous.

    I’ll readily admit to not paying mich attention this season, so I’ll not comment on what he’s done captain-worthy this season.  In season’s past its seemed forced.

    Regarding the anti-Euro comment, it’s an over-stated reaction on my part, but I think it bears stating anyway, ***** that idea.  It’s a ***** thing to throw out there blindly, and I don’t appreciate it.  The only bias I have is what’s best for the sweater.

  9. 2 hours ago, Thorny said:

    I see what you’re saying but if we have too many Owen Powers the issue is the other weaker/redundant Owen Power on the team not the actual OP. OP isn’t the guy we’d shift away from 

    Tell me the return first.

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  10. Anyone remember a whole bunch of us saying things like “I’d rather be Buffalo than Boston cuz they have no future” like 5-6, maybe 7 seasons ago?  That slowly stopped getting pronounced ever year.

    I’d still rather be in Boston’s shoes if it were possible to transfer their recent past and near future to the Sabres.  They have a loooong way to go before embarrassment.  And we keep slathering it on.

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  11. 3 hours ago, Thorny said:

     

    Power just isn’t part of the issue 

    In the context of being part of a poorly constructed roster, he is part of the issue.  All 23 are part of the issue as they are all equal (more or less) components of an ill conceived team makeup. 

  12. 3 hours ago, matter2003 said:

    Quite remarkable the Sabres have promoted so many young players to the NHL including Benson, this years #1 pick and STILL have the best prospect pool. Literally sitting on an almost embarrassing amount of prospect riches at this point.

    Wouldn't have been 13 years if Murray had been a little more patient and not traded all the prospects and picks for players that left the cupboard bare when it didn't work out. He set us back 5 years at least.

    Have you not learned the lesson that you can’t have a team full of kids?  Murray did the right thing, but he chose ***** players for the plan.

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