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I like the 60 second power play for delay infractions. I think I would include a failed review in that as well, but could go either way as less reviews the better. The fact that the power play starts in the offensive zone is enough for me. There was a clear high stick penalty committed by Florida about half way though the overtime. That should not have been let go. I was not going to stay up for OT number 2 if it got there. There is point where not calling penalties backfires.

Puck over glass is a delay of game penalty - intentional or not it cannot be accurately determined by refs in real time, so you either call it every time or not at all. You should have seen the crap the Flyers got away with in 1975. The refs put away the whistles and gave a distinct advantage to one team. There were no instigator penalties or 3rd man in calls back then. Every fight typically led to 2 or more simultaneous fights which put or best players in the box while Philly trotted out their best players after the fact. That was far more egregious than yesterday. Yesterday was nothing, the call was correct, the debate is the rest of the way the game was called.

Picking up the jet skis from storage, they're like oh, the batteries are bad... 400$ later I have 2 new batteries that I believed were put on a tender for winterizing. I'll have to clear this up with them but I think ima have to pony up

Ok. I just acquired Zucker#2 and McLeod #2 at your request - both players are middle 6. Which forwards do you move? Not including the 4th line we have Thompson, Norris, Peterka, Benson, Kulich, Tuch, McLeod, Zucker, Greenway, and Quinn. That is 10 forwards plus your 2 new vets, 12 players for 9 slots. You could move Greenway to the 4th line plus PK duty and that could work. You still have two more players in excess. Quinn jumps out before any of the others.

Rossi's a center, they make more money than wings.

Marchment has a M-NTC so... its not Dallas you have to convince.

Probably that 13 game losing streak where he started 9 games did it for me. Cratered the season, and he didn't play very well for long stretches in the season. 16 starts with a sv% below .850. He's one of the worst starters in the league. Easier to shoot as a lefty on the right, but it makes it more challenging defensively since you're clearing the walls with backhands (or an extra step to get it to your forehand).

On the puck over the glass thing, I agree with those who think it is a stiff penalty for what is now something that only happens by accident. I also agree that it is a bit absurd to watch players get away with physically assaulting the opposition, and then there is a penalty for an accidental stick stuck in the skates, or a puck over the glass. I've thought for some time that the NHL should experiment in pre-season with 60 second penalties for the non-violent "accidental" infractions. That would probably be too far "out of the box" in itself, but I would actually go a step further. I would experiment with the powerplay team starting the powerplay with possession. You could have a small semi-circle on the walls in the offensive zones and the start of a PP (just the start) would begin similar to an inbound pass in basketball. This would make the shorter PP's still critical as the defending team would not simply be able to kill the first 15 seconds with a face-off win and an icing. It's a little out there, I know.

Quinn for Marchment would be exactly that type of move. Every team in the league that wants to make the playoffs (and has the cap space) would take Marchment over Quinn for the coming season.

In a better scenario you trade for Quinn for Marchment assuming you can work out an extension for him. Marchment is bigger and stronger and much grittier. He also has a higher PPG and GPG than Quinn. Sure, Quinn has a higher scoring ceiling but injuries and lackluster play are preventing him from getting there. Quinn's two-way game was not there under Lindy, maybe he gets it in another year? You are tired of seeing our young players traded away and then play well for other teams, and I can understand that since we have a recent history of trading the wrong players for the wrong reasons. You prefer to trade Byram over Quinn. Keep in mind that Byram is only 8 months older than Quinn, both are 23. Byram was far better than Quinn last season, and in the seasons prior. To say that Quinn should be kept over Byram is your opinion but Byram is just as young, has won a cup, and is the better player of the two. Sounds like Quinn is getting preferred status from you because he was a Buffalo first rounder but I think Byram is the better player. They only reason I would trade Byram is that we have a surplus of defenseman with his same skill set and he can actually bring more back in trade than a guy like Quinn.

Our fundamental disagreement that can't be breached is in our views on Quinn as a player. I believe that his upside is higher than you do, thus his value. There is no circumstance that I see him as a lower line player or merely as a shootout specialist. If the issue is reduced between Marchment and Quinn, I'm still siding with keeping Quinn and eschewing Marchment. I'm not dispatching a player with more upside to tap. We disagree, that's okay.

The reason I give up Quinn is that I don't see his future role on the team (if Ruff is coach/involved in the hockey ops side) -- if Tuch is also in the future. And the only way for Quinn to prove he could step into the top-6 this year is through amazing production caused by injuries to TNT/Tuch. Going into this season, Quinn's role is a bottom 6 RW and shootout specialist. The shootout specialist has a bunch of value. But Marchment has outproduced Quinn over the last 3 years and is a much better fit as a 3/4 W. As @inkman noted above, I've only got the one year of Marchment, so I'm not making this deal unless I can get him to waive/extend. That's the rub. Or, I really pray he helps the Sabres make the playoffs and the fit is amazing and he signs an extension before the trade deadline. (And yes, all this thread is about Robertson, and nothing stated here changes the fact they need a top-4 RHD for Power and a goalie.)

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I couldn't make it until the end last night. I watched until the game was tied. Holy sh1t balls is that some good ice hockey.

Max Psenicka is gonna end up in my top 30.

We both agree that Byram should be moved because he has the greatest market value. I strenuously disagree with you that both Quinn and JJP need to be moved. For me, they are at a point of development where they should be 30 goal scorers. Too many people are dismissive of their offensive potential. I'm aware that they are not defensive juggernauts but they have the ability to improve defensively to the point where they are not glaring liabilities. As I stated in multiple posts, our greatest need is addressing the goalie position. If that is not done, everything else done will be wasted. My proposal compared to most other proposals here is a moderate/modest view that enhances what we now have as opposed to shredding the assets that we do have. We need to address the goalie position (priority #1), bring in a couple of veteran and bulky defenseman (reasonably attainable) and add two or three players that fall in category of players of hardnosed players who are Zucker like players. These are not show stopping transactions; they are smart deals that enhance what you already have on the roster. This cartoonish organization under the silent ownership of Pegula has had too many start and stop rebuilding efforts. It's time to stabilize and act judiciously and not reactively.

He just doesn't carry the puck into the zone. It's a lot of boxing out a guy, getting a pass from someone and ripping a shot. The shots great but I think his handles are just above average, his skating same. I just don't understand what makes him special outside the shot. He's physical enough, that's true and drive inside but idk, he just never pops for me. I could be wildly wrong.

I want a guy whose last name starts with “M” in this order. Misa. Martone. Martin. McQueen.

Frondell’s interesting in that most who rate him highly acknowledge your concerns. Yet he is still rated as high as #3. It seems he is seen as a safe pick. I haven’t seen him play. Is he Lundell with a shot?

What blockbuster deal are you proposing that is realistic in coming to fruition? What value does Samuelsson have with his bloated contract? I'm not arguing to keep Byram, UPL or Samuelsson. The only value I see is with Byram. I would love to work out a deal such as trading him to the Rangers for K'Andre Miller. You don't need blockbuster deals to bring in a couple of experienced and rugged blueliners. They can be had on the market for reasonable second tier prices. Quinn and JJP are in my view 30+ goal scorers on a better team. You don't think that this team needs that output? Last year, Zucker and McCleod were brought in, and the year before Greenway was added. Those were quality support pieces. How about duplicating those roster improving moves that helped to reshape the roster and how it plays? Making a point that I have belabored into exhaustion is that the bringing in a reliable goalie will do more to enhance this team than any move. That's a priority that if it is not accomplished will undercut other transactions that would be made. There is too much attention is pursued for dramatic moves. How about making a series of smart moves better shapes and improves this roster?

The Sabres currently have 15 forwards whose skill, contract, or developmental progress, puts them in the NHL or at an NHL calibre for next season (Thompson, Norris, Benson, Peterka, Mcleod, Tuch, Zucker, Kulich, Greenway, Quinn, Malenstyn, Krebs, Lafferty, Kozak, Rosen). The Sabres don’t have the roster spots or the cap space to just move out Byram and some picks and prospects for upgrades. Sure, they can dump 4th liners like Lafferty or Krebs or Malenstyn, but their salaries are such that dumping them only makes room for comparably paid players. We don’t have the cap space to add another Zucker or Greenway unless we move out a comparable contract. We could move an overpaid D-man like Clifton, but we want D upgrades which would mean paying more for the new D-man than we are paying Clifton. To summarize, we can’t keep every young NHL player (except for Byram) AND add multiple quality veteran talents. Change will mean some good young players (Quinn, Peterka, Byram being the most likely), will need to be moved. Otherwise, it’s just mostly status quo. This is the reality of our roster situation.

Mrtka is fine, he's just not anything that blows me away. He's your typical 3/4 defender and I think I can get something similar later in the draft. I'm probably to low on him but that's okay. I don't believe in Frondell. His shot yes but I don't understand how he's going to create in the NHL because he doesn't carry much and his size advantage is gone. So he'll be a trigger guy with decent 200ft game.

Personally, I do not like hot weather. When its above 80, it is too much for me.

The top 5 aren’t falling to us. Frondell likely goes top 5-7 too, I think. After those 6, I can find traits and upside in your 6-13 (and Mrtka) that would leave me feeling good if we drafted any of them. Cheers for the work!

Huh. Never heard of him. If you aren’t rooting for Edmonton, you might have daddy issues or something.