GDT: 11/12 Sabres @ Mammoth 9PM ET on ESPN+/MSG

[Pimlach]

11 hours ago, K-9 said:

And to think he was the throw-in. 

According to KA's promo video Doan was a "must have" part of the deal.  

[LGR4GM]

11 hours ago, K-9 said:

And to think he was the throw-in. 

Josh Doan was not a throw-in and fans and the coaching staff should stop acting like he was. The fact he isn't getting more ice time is another nail in a coffin that is so filled with them it is just metal for this coaching staff. 

[Pimlach]

10 hours ago, SabresBillsFan said:

With as many picks as they have had this is unacceptable and now you know why most of these scouts need to be fired

Many scouts have been released over the years.   Adams gutted the scouting department as part of EEE, then he added to the staff later.  The Sabres rely heavily on analytics and that is headed up by Sam Ventura.  They have a guy named Jerry Forton, recently promoted to AGM, that is also heavily involved.  

None of this means that GM doing to drafting has to listen to the scouts.  The scouts provide inputs but they do not  select the players.  The buck should stop with Kevyn Adams. 

10 hours ago, Goldseatsaud said:

I shake my head why Ruff wanted this job

Its lonely out in space .... 

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Pimlach said:

Many scouts have been released over the years.   Adams gutted the scouting department as part of EEE, then he added to the staff later.  The Sabres rely heavily on analytics and that is headed up by Sam Ventura.  They have a guy named Jerry Forton, recently promoted to AGM, that is also heavily involved.  

None of this means that GM doing to drafting has to listen to the scouts.  The scouts provide inputs but they do not  select the players.  The buck should stop with Kevyn Adams. 

Seems fairly obvious that Analytics is not used for every pick. Bedowski shows us that. Kleber shows us that. If you want to know what drafting using analytics looks like, look at Carolina. Jerry Forton might listen to analytics for the 1st round but he's clearly looking for "player types" after that. It is why all the RHD we draft later seem to have the exact same profile. My point is the scouting system in Buffalo is brutally flawed. Doesn't help that Adams gives 2nd round picks away for Malenstyn and so he can get Josh Norris and Bernard-Docker who he didn't even sign. 

[Pimlach]

11 hours ago, Broken Ankles said:

Your only two goals are from an AHL call up, who probably wasn’t expected to play one game if injuries weren’t rampant.  You need to score goals boys. Unacceptable effort.  
Bryson and Kesselring were a  shite pair playing 11 and 12 minutes respectively, each minus 2.  Krebs line was horrendous.  Also minus 2, with Dunne -3.  And Beck was hardly noticeable.  If you can’t score, you must bring energy and prevent scoring.  
upside- if they lose all these games on the road, there is a chance Adams or Ruff (hopefully both) are  gone by the time they play EDM on 17th.  

Injuries have us putting out two 4th lines and the second 4th line played like a 5th line, the matchups are rough and it will be worse against the Avs. 

The 3rd D pair was like a 4th D pair.  

Keep in mind that Kesselring had two NHL seasons, 156 games, prior to coming to Buffalo so he is not an established NHL veteran on defense.   I see some little things that I like, but I am still waiting for him to impress me.  7 games and 0 points so far. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Pimlach

[K-9]

38 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Josh Doan was not a throw-in and fans and the coaching staff should stop acting like he was. The fact he isn't getting more ice time is another nail in a coffin that is so filled with them it is just metal for this coaching staff. 

For the record, I never thought of him as the throw-in and the fact he is playing better than Kesselring underscores the fact that he wasn’t. 

[DarthEbriate]

3 hours ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

Tage looked so slow from the little I saw. 

Tuch couldn't handle a puck to save his life. 

That D... Oof, Kesselring looked like Tyson Strachan out there. 

 

How was Ellis overall? I saw some good stuff in the first, but was at work so I missed a lot of the game dealing with issues and then caught the last 5 min or so of the game. 

Now that's a name I hadn't heard in a long time. A long time.

Until yesterday! I went to hockey-reference to look something up and saw a headshot with a Sabres sweater and said, "who's that?" because I didn't recognize him. It was probably some random passer-through of the Pegular era, right? And it was! Strachan lives.

2 hours ago, Carmel Corn said:

They could finish LAST, but still will get hijacked from the #1 spot to another team…..who will pick McKenna.  We can’t have nice things….it’s our curse.  

It might not be a bad thing to get 2 or 3 instead of McKenna this year. Simply because if they do draft him, he's going to be in the opening lineup next season as the savior. At least if they get one of the more "project" type guys, they don't just anoint him to be everything from the opening faceoff. I can just see Pegula responding in some embedded video if the Sabres win the lottery, "We get McKenna? I paid to get him to play at my college and he was really good for a 17 year-old. Now we're Stanley Cup contenders!" <Adams is about to say "But..." in the background, but then is like, yup, contenders, yup. The Pegula is always right.>

[msw2112]

I realize that it's a small sample size, but I thought the team was playing better and starting to "find itself" prior to the recent rash of injuries and Dahlin's leave of absence.  Since those things have happened, the team has lost all confidence.  They know they can put forth their best effort and they still can't win, so why bother?  They're mentally cooked and are just going through the motions.  Yes, the injured players and Dahlin can come back and the team can regain its footing, but by that time, they'll be so far out of the race that it won't matter.

I missed the 1st 2 periods last night.  I joined the broadcast - the Utah broadcast - in the 2nd intermission and they were talking about how the Sabres had been the better team and had the lead.  Then I watched the Sabres crap the bed for the entire 3rd period, looking completely lost and disjointed, while Utah skated circles around them.  I don't have the answer, but I'm not a professional hockey coach, GM or executive.  That said, neither are the guys running the Sabres right now.

Somewhat unrelated - the Utah studio broadcast team was terrible - particularly between periods and after the game.  They have a young guy who appears to be Eddie Olczyk's son (Nick) and a red headed woman.  They're like high-school level broadcasters. I can't imagine Nick getting that job without his father's last name.  It's much worse than Jac Collinsworth and Noah Eagle trading on their father's names on NBC.  Jac is annoying, but somewhat competent and Eagle is actually decent.  Olczyk is terrible.  They make Duff and Biron look like world beaters.   

Edited 3 hours ago by msw2112

[Broken Ankles]

2 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Injuries have us putting out two 4th lines and the second 4th line played like a 5th line, the matchups are rough and it will be worse against the Avs. 

The 3rd D pair was like a 4th D pair.  

Keep in mind that Kesselring had two NHL seasons, 156 games, prior to coming to Buffalo so he is not an established NHL veteran on defense.   I see some little things that I like, but I am still waiting for him to impress me.  7 games and 0 points so far. 

But that 3rd D pair included a guy whom our GM targeted for JJP, a legit top 6 forward with 40 goal potential.  Doan who was apparently the sweetener, has been surprisingly good (except last night).  And I know that Kesserling had Bryson with him but I’m sorry, if your target to be the guy who can stabilize Power and an anchor on the second pairing is reduced to third line minutes, is statistically playing like $hite, and looks lost at times it’s yet another failure for Kevyn.  I had high expectations for this kid b/c of JJP and how Adams described him. Kevyn gets some credit for his UFA acquisition Timmons who has also surprised, and none for Mr. Glass who appears to have found his game at age 25.  Timmons / Kesselring is one step forward, two steps back.  Mule/Dahlin - the same.  

[msw2112]

6 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:

But that 3rd D pair included a guy whom our GM targeted for JJP, a legit top 6 forward with 40 goal potential.  Doan who was apparently the sweetener, has been surprisingly good (except last night).  And I know that Kesserling had Bryson with him but I’m sorry, if your target to be the guy who can stabilize Power and an anchor on the second pairing is reduced to third line minutes, is statistically playing like $hite, and looks lost at times it’s yet another failure for Kevyn.  I had high expectations for this kid b/c of JJP and how Adams described him. Kevyn gets some credit for his UFA acquisition Timmons who has also surprised, and none for Mr. Glass who appears to have found his game at age 25.  Timmons / Kesselring is one step forward, two steps back.  Mule/Dahlin - the same.  

I agree that Kesserling looks pretty terrible so far.  While Doan was more than just a "throw in," Kesserling was still the major piece coming back in that deal.  At this point, Doan is the much better asset and is saving the trade from being, at this point, a disaster for the Sabres.  Kesserling may be fine in time, but the team is in such disarray right now that I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[Pimlach]

19 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:

But that 3rd D pair included a guy whom our GM targeted for JJP, a legit top 6 forward with 40 goal potential.  Doan who was apparently the sweetener, has been surprisingly good (except last night).  And I know that Kesserling had Bryson with him but I’m sorry, if your target to be the guy who can stabilize Power and an anchor on the second pairing is reduced to third line minutes, is statistically playing like $hite, and looks lost at times it’s yet another failure for Kevyn.  I had high expectations for this kid b/c of JJP and how Adams described him. Kevyn gets some credit for his UFA acquisition Timmons who has also surprised, and none for Mr. Glass who appears to have found his game at age 25.  Timmons / Kesselring is one step forward, two steps back.  Mule/Dahlin - the same.  

 

10 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

I agree that Kesserling looks pretty terrible so far.  While Doan was more than just a "throw in," Kesserling was still the major piece coming back in that deal.  At this point, Doan is the much better asset and is saving the trade from being, at this point, a disaster for the Sabres.  Kesserling may be fine in time, but the team is in such disarray right now that I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Ok guys, his name is  spelled  K E S S E L Ring

It is way to early to fully judge Kesselring but I do feel concerned that he is playing on the 3rd pair.  Would love to see him step up with Dahlin out. 

Last season no one did.  

[Broken Ankles]

2 hours ago, Pimlach said:

 

Ok guys, his name is  spelled  K E S S E L Ring

It is way to early to fully judge Kesselring but I do feel concerned that he is playing on the 3rd pair.  Would love to see him step up with Dahlin out. 

Last season no one did.  

I'm blaming my iphone. 

[DarthEbriate]

I got it. I got it!

<wires cross; additional blast door closes>

Kessel Run.