Would You Want Sabres Sneaking into the Playoffs if it Meant Adams and Staff stick Around With Extensions?

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, PASabreFan said:

Fine. I'm all for it. I'll make the Zoom call. But did you notice that chart is The PEGULA Era(rror)?

KA didn't and wouldn't come up with EEE, and he wouldn't look nearly as bad as the GM of most teams.

Not sure if he came up with EEE or not.  BUT HE wanted to tear it all down when he was hired, not a year later.  He may not have come up with it, but he was 100% on board with it.

[Thorny]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Fire Kevyn Adams now. Not tomorrow, now. 

It’s that simple 

[Thorny]

12 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Not sure if he came up with EEE or not.  BUT HE wanted to tear it all down when he was hired, not a year later.  He may not have come up with it, but he was 100% on board with it.

If it was Pegula, he came up with the EEE plan *after* sending Adams out to spy on the team. His decisions were made upon hearing what Adams had to say, complete with his own biased way of saying it, however that was. Who actually came up with the plan is semantics, where Adams specifically is concerned. If he didn’t come up with the plan, he was chosen to implement it because he was agreeable to the philosophy. He would be as poor a GM on any team he was hired for because he’d only be hired by a team looking for a long form, job security rebuild where no results are expected 

the mere fact Terry would change GMs at all, if it happened, would suggest there’s a possibility he’s finally looking for something else 

and even if he wasn’t, it literally can’t be worse 

and at the very least it expresses accountability 

and even if no one takes any accountability for it, and even if Pegula hasn’t actually changed any mindset, and even if he doesn’t get lucky with a new hire and merely matches the putrid result of KA, even if it’s proclaimed nothing f*cking changed, I/we will know that’s not the case: Adams won’t be GM

again: no one in this thread or any thread has pieced together an argument for why Adams shouldn’t be fired. It literally has not happened. Arguments have been constructed for why it might not make a difference. Completely different things. There is no argument for not firing Adams.

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[Pimlach]

1 minute ago, PASabreFan said:

Fine. I'm all for it. I'll make the Zoom call. But did you notice that chart is The PEGULA Era(rror)?

KA didn't and wouldn't come up with EEE, and he wouldn't look nearly as bad as the GM of most teams.

Adams slice of the chart is still really bad.   But lets say you forgive him for the steep down slope of 2019/2020 and assume he inherited it and EEE.   Now just look and the poor performance for the last 4  years, their is no improvement and no serious team would tolerate that performance for this long.  Cup winning coaches and GMs get fired for that level of mediocrity.  

Then look past the chart and look at Adams body of work.  Look at trades and drafts, who was shipped out and who was brought in, the contracts,  the coaches, the team attendance and popularity, the teams stature in the league, etc.   We do not need this chart to tell us that a major change is needed or this team could cease to exist.   

That is not all on Adams and his crew, and he is the first person to tell us that, which is one of many reasons why he is not going to fix this. 

The standard for the Pegula Sabres is that there is no standard.  Pegula's reason for the Sabres existence is the biggest lie in the history of the modern  NHL.  

[Crusader1969]

Think we can close up this thread.   
 

they aren't sneaking in anywhere 

[DarthEbriate]

Pegulas and Sheevyn. Always two there are; no more, no less.

You can't end the trilogy until they're both gone. But, you enjoy the story when either one of them gets resolved.   (and... just ignore the sequels for now.)

[bunomatic]

If a team figures out a way to make the playoffs with this sad sack crew I’ll take the playoffs. But it ain’t going to happen no way no how. Fire everyone involved in this build. Its been a complete disaster with a couple bright spots. KA has had 5 years. He has failed.

[mjd1001]

54 minutes ago, Thorny said:

It’s that simple 

It might be the move to make at this point but I wouldn't say it isn't simple. 

Simple would mean you fire him and you were on the right path. 

It's more complicated than that because more changes are needed. Adam's gone... Not enough. There has to be more with it. 

If you let Adams go.... Promote from within... And basically have the status quo... Again, that's not good enough. 

Move on from Adams, but then any like-minded people in the front office have to get moved on from also. And you better bring someone in from the outside who is going to have no connection to any of these players.

[Thorny]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

It might be the move to make at this point but I wouldn't say it isn't simple. 

Simple would mean you fire him and you were on the right path. 

It's more complicated than that because more changes are needed. Adam's gone... Not enough. There has to be more with it. 

If you let Adams go.... Promote from within... And basically have the status quo... Again, that's not good enough. 

Move on from Adams, but then any like-minded people in the front office have to get moved on from also. And you better bring someone in from the outside who is going to have no connection to any of these players.

lol you get that this is an entertainment product, right? There are countless arguments that can be made for why there’s no reason not to fire him because we can’t rule out it’ll be better once we do, and it also can’t be worse so there’s no reason not to try. Or because it could be indicative of a changing mindset from Terry. Or it expresses accountability. Or because he simply deserves the appropriate response to his job peformance 

*leave all that aside*

you are still taking issue with my chosen, personal metric for how I evaluate my entertainment product 

“oh, you only look for comedy in film and you found the film very funny and so you love it? It’s not that simple. Let me tell you why it’s not the film you want.”

you need to stop missing my point here - I want Adams fired. I don’t care if it changes nothing. I’m sick of his face. I’ve been railing accurately against him for 6 years. He traded my favourite player. It’s personal. You can leave your arguments at the door in this sense - they have nothing to do with the satisfaction I’ll gain by seeing him canned

what part of “I don’t watch the sabres anymore at all but will if he’s fired” doesn’t make sense to you? That’s my metric. I am stating to you, outright, that for THIS FAN, firing him makes a huge difference. You can’t say it might not make a difference because I’m telling you right now it does.

if I am on an island, so be it 

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[Taro T]

13 minutes ago, Thorny said:

lol you get that this is an entertainment product, right? There are countless arguments that can be made for why there’s no reason not to fire him because we can’t rule out it’ll be better once we do, and it also can’t be worse so there’s no reason not to try. Or because it could be indicative of a changing mindset from Terry. Or it expresses accountability. Or because he simply deserves the appropriate response to his job peformance 

*leave all that aside*

you are still taking issue with my chosen, personal metric for how I evaluate my entertainment product 

“oh, you only look for comedy in film and you found the film very funny and so you love it? It’s not that simple. Let me tell you why it’s not the film you want.”

you need to stop - I want Adams fired. I don’t care if it changes nothing. I’m sick of his face. I’ve been railing accurately against him for 6 years. He traded my favourite player. It’s personal. You can leave your arguments at the door in this sense - they have nothing to do with the satisfaction I’ll gain by seeing him canned

what part of “I don’t watch the sabres anymore at all but will if he’s fired” doesn’t make sense to you? That’s my metric. I am stating to you, outright, that for THIS FAN, firing him makes a huge difference. You can’t say it might not make a difference because I’m telling you right now it does.

if I am on an island, so be it 

Yes.

There's pretty much only 1 thing they can do to make this all seem to be even worse -> can Adams and promote Forton into his former role.  The ONLY redeeming part of that is that it's kind of different.  But, with having brough Kekalainen in, don't expect they'd do THAT.

And Kekalainen might not be able to get it done either; but he'd by definition be better than Kevyn.  (Jarmo isn't this kid's 1st choice, but he ain't Kevyn nor Jerry either, so sure, roll with him.)

[Thorny]

36 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Yes.

There's pretty much only 1 thing they can do to make this all seem to be even worse -> can Adams and promote Forton into his former role.  The ONLY redeeming part of that is that it's kind of different.  But, with having brough Kekalainen in, don't expect they'd do THAT.

And Kekalainen might not be able to get it done either; but he'd by definition be better than Kevyn.  (Jarmo isn't this kid's 1st choice, but he ain't Kevyn nor Jerry either, so sure, roll with him.)

To me that’s still way better