GDT: Sabres @ Bruins October, 11 2025 @ 7PM MSG-B, ESPN+, Fubo

[K012010]

Obviously, this is all conjecture, and of the abstract variety, but has it crossed anyone else’s mind that the cup our dear GM won was flat out the best opportunity we ever had to win one and I’m including the 1999 series. I know that we could’ve taken it to game seven and very well may have, but the stars were just a better team. We had the best goalie of all time and a collection of average guys and a ton of grit, but I think the stars win that series 9 out of 10 times.

05-06 was THE year. It was ours and I posted the other day or maybe earlier today about how I am stuck mentally in that year I will never get over that year and that team everything aligned and came together and it was supposed to be ours. So many factors took it away from us so many little things, including Tim Connolly getting head hunted, then all the injuries leading up toward the end of the conference finals. 

Adams won the cup with the canes. The one that should’ve been ours. This bad juju needs to go and it needs to go now. We were never gonna do anything with a guy who was on the team that took our cup away because for some reason the will of the gods changed on a whim.

This guy needs to be gone for that reason alone, but adding the fact that he’s the worst general manager professional sports I think is also another big factor

Edited 2 hours ago by K012010

[Pimlach]

2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

 

I already said - you know what I meant. The manager is still the same 

You said “”management group”.  Look at your post.  Your statement is wrong.  

If Jarmo replaces Adams you would have to admit that Pegula had some type of contingency.  

Just admit it, or let it go. 

[Thorny]

8 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Totally disagree.  The whole point of my post is if you fire Adams, unless Pegula changes his mindset you are going to get basically an "Adams clone".  

The bigger change happens not with Pegula having the same role/mindset but a new GM that he picks. The needed change ONLY happens when Pegula decides to make a change at GM and take a step back (maybe get that PHO as another layer between him and the GM).

If you are removing Adams, I do not want that "Adams clone" or someone who is in the current organization with the same mindset. When they make a GM change, they need to do better, and that likely means getting someone Terry won't always feel comfortable or wanted around.

No matter how many times it’s pointed out to you that Adams is the one calling the shots and Terry is signing off you aren’t getting it. Adams has done a demonstrably poor job not only roster wise but convincing Terry to spend. The mere idea of keeping Adams reinforces the idea there are no expectations. You are on an island in saying firing/hiring him is irrelevant

4 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

You said “”management group”.  Look at your post.  Your statement is wrong.  

If Jarmo replaces Adams you would have to admit that Pegula had some type of contingency.  

Just admit it, or let it go. 

Staal and Jarmo weren’t hired as managers or assistant managers. I don’t need to let anything go unless it’s the idea you’ll admit to being wrong when you clearly are 

Edited 2 hours ago by Thorny

[Second Line Center]

28 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Jolt=Jarmo replacing Kevyn

 

That’s exactly what I expected from this group.  
 

That the Norris injury would demoralize them.  
 

Confirming they are the most mentally weak team in Sabres history.   
 

Reflection of management.  Coaches.  And the players.  
 

 

Nice next man up mentality.  
 

But in fairness considering the losing they’ve been thru, I’m not mad about it. 
 

No one should be talking about blowing it up either.  Bc it will be Adams making the trades and that just can’t happen.  

[Thorny]

12 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Maybe an over-reaction from the first 2 games:

-Quinn needs to be told he doens't get any more minutes unless he spends the majority of his time in front of the net in the offensive zone.  He has turned into a total perimeter player and he has to be broken of that forcefully.

-Doan I'd like to see get a bit more ice time and a shot on a top 2 line. Take awy 3-4 minutes from Quinn and give them to Doan.

-Without Norris, as soon as Benson is back in the lineup, Benson-Kulich-Tage as a line.

-Tuch.  Again, only 2 games but I really don't see a reason, or have any desire to give him $10m+ per year as he ages through his middle-to-late 30's. The team can lose just as well with him as without him.

-Byrum.   all I see in him is a 'somewhat' better version of Bryson. Meaning, nothing special other than he somehow gets a ton of ice time every game without doing much with it. he's not HURTING the team, but I don't see much special.

It’s “Byram”

And the sabres don’t “have enough scoring” as you claimed all offseason.

And things aren’t “a ok” because Norris is merely not a net negative.

0/4 post game 

..and still carrying water for Adams. You are wrong nearly as often as the sabres 

Edited 2 hours ago by Thorny

[PerreaultForever]

10 minutes ago, Believer said:

What value does Stahl add?

Yes Man to Adams?

 

Adams told Terry nobody wanted to eat lunch with him so he hired him a "friend". 

Lyon was good. Dahlin was good. Rest of the team? Not so much. 

That should have been a blow out in the first but with Lyon playing well and the Bruins general inability to score goals it stayed a hockey game. 

I imagine there's a stat somewhere for this but if you counted puck battles and board battles how many did the Sabres win? I'd guess less than 5%. Just pathetic. Team will never win playing that way. Bruins weren't even hitting. 

Geertson's a joke. Sure, I like a tough guy as much as anyone but he does nothing outside of asking for a dance partner. Doesn't really hit, doesn't really dig or get in front. He's ballast. 

You have to wonder about the coaching and mindset of this team though. Clear entry on the PP and Thompson shoots from inside the blueline. Who else does that?? The point of any PP is to carry the puck in, set up all 5 and move the puck around for a good shot. That sort of thing is just dumb and they should know better by now. I don't get it. I really don't. Just blatantly bad. 

You can see the Bruins aren't as good as their record, but you can also see the structure and controlled play, the coaching, and the system with players supporting each other. Sabres? Just a bunch of perimeter possessions and individual play as usual. This team is garbage. 

[Pimlach]

4 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Jarmo and Staal aren’t even adds to the management group, so your correction of my supposed erroneousness was in fact erroneous. They were added as special advisors  

Ok I’m done.   You cannot admit you errored but the Sabres did add to the management group.  
  
 

[mjd1001]

2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

No matter how many times it’s pointed out to you that Adams is the one calling the shots and Terry is signing off you aren’t getting it. Adams has done a demonstrably poor job not only roster wise but convincing Terry to spend. The mere idea of keeping Adams reinforces the idea there are no expectations. You are an an island in saying firing/hiring him is irrelevant

 

Pointing out to me that Adams is calling the shots doesn't mean its true.

For as many times as you say it, it has been referenced by reporters close to the team (Harrington, guys from the Athletic, and occasionally by Paul Hamilton on WGR) that its not the whole story.  Pegula has his fingerprints over the roste contstruction. Did when he took owner as owner 15  years ago...still does.  Way too much smoke from people closer to the team than either of us over the last 3-4 years to not beleive that is true. (many of those articles have been refrenced by me and others on this very forum over the last few years).

Its Pegula.  If you don't want to beleive it because it doesn't fit you narative, then fine.

2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

It’s “Byram”

And the sabres don’t “have enough scoring” as you claimed all offseason.

And things aren’t “a ok” because Norris is merely not a net negative.

0/4 post game 

..and still carrying water for Adams. You are wrong nearly as often as the sabres 

Wow, you REALLY have an ego that needs to post thigns that aren't true.  NOT carrying the water for Adams. I'm not saying he is a good GM, haven't done that in a while.  I'm saying Pegula is the bigger problem, and I have pointed out of the last year or two examples of why, that you just choose to ignore.

But keep posting things that I haven't said or twisting things to make your point more valid. Your ego obviously needs it.

[Thorny]

3 minutes ago, Second Line Center said:

 

That’s exactly what I expected from this group.  
 

That the Norris injury would demoralize them.  
 

Confirming they are the most mentally weak team in Sabres history.   
 

Reflection of management.  Coaches.  And the players.  
 

 

Nice next man up mentality.  
 

But in fairness considering the losing they’ve been thru, I’m not mad about it. 
 

No one should be talking about blowing it up either.  Bc it will be Adams making the trades and that just can’t happen.  

And there’s zero reason we can’t hire a GM that doesn’t construct teams that need everything to be perfect for success to be achieved - Adams constructs teams one negative coin flip away from disaster : that’s his MO

2 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Pointing out to me that Adams is calling the shots doesn't mean its true.

For as many times as you say it, it has been referenced by reporters close to the team (Harrington, guys from the Athletic, and occasionally by Paul Hamilton on WGR) that its not the whole story.  Pegula has his fingerprints over the roste contstruction. Did when he took owner as owner 15  years ago...still does.  Way too much smoke from people closer to the team than either of us over the last 3-4 years to not beleive that is true. (many of those articles have been refrenced by me and others on this very forum over the last few years).

Its Pegula.  If you don't want to beleive it because it doesn't fit you narative, then fine.

Harrington is on record saying it’s ridiculous Adams hasn’t been fired 

you are on an island 

A total, total island 

[PerreaultForever]

1 minute ago, mjd1001 said:

Pointing out to me that Adams is calling the shots doesn't mean its true.

For as many times as you say it, it has been referenced by reporters close to the team (Harrington, guys from the Athletic, and occasionally by Paul Hamilton on WGR) that its not the whole story.  Pegula has his fingerprints over the roste contstruction. Did when he took owner as owner 15  years ago...still does.  Way too much smoke from people closer to the team than either of us over the last 3-4 years to not beleive that is true. (many of those articles have been refrenced by me and others on this very forum over the last few years).

Its Pegula.  If you don't want to beleive it because it doesn't fit you narative, then fine.

I remember a quote from Terry (or possibly at that time it was Kim when she was still involved) that had them saying they felt the mistake they'd made (for that season) was listening to or trusting the "hockey people" too much and a short while after that we got yes man Adams and all the great decisions we have gotten. Since then we've also seen video with behind the scenes stuff and Terry on the phone or in the meeting and talk that he's "involved" or "cares" as they spin it.  "No real point in arguing it in my opinion, it seems kind of obvious who is in charge. 

[JP51]

3 minutes ago, Second Line Center said:

 

That’s exactly what I expected from this group.  
 

That the Norris injury would demoralize them.  
 

Confirming they are the most mentally weak team in Sabres history.   
 

Reflection of management.  Coaches.  And the players.  
 

 

Nice next man up mentality.  
 

But in fairness considering the losing they’ve been thru, I’m not mad about it. 
 

No one should be talking about blowing it up either.  Bc it will be Adams making the trades and that just can’t happen.  

I agree with most everything here especially about the fact this team is a  bunch of mental pu$$ies...and please do not let Adams make trades... except blow it up... the FO needs to be blow up first... if there is any hope Pegula will have finally understood he is an abject moron and has destroyed a generation of hockey fans and hockey joy for an entire region in very quick fashion... and hires a real hockey pro to come in and blow it up for him... in the absence of this... there is literally no hope... none ... fire adams and make Jarmo and stahl  gm and ass gm and promoting Appert to coach does zero 

[mjd1001]

3 minutes ago, Thorny said:

And there’s zero reason we can’t hire a GM that doesn’t construct teams that need everything to be perfect for success to be achieved - Adams constructs teams one negative coin flip away from disaster : that’s his MO

Harrington is on record saying it’s ridiculous Adams hasn’t been fired 

you are on an island 

A total, total island 

I have said a few times recently I'm OK with Adams getting fired.

So I'm on an island saying Pegula is the biggest problem?  No one else thinks that, just me?

Change your screename to "Agenda", you ae a walking, talking one. You have basically one point about this team and you twist others words to fit it.

[Goldseatsaud]

Pegula making money with the Sabres? I can’t figure why he doesn’t get it

[Thorny]

Can’t blame a player, it’s the GM who iced the roster

cant blame the GM, it’s the owner who hired them 

can’t blame the owner, it’s his parents that birthed him

lol enough. You still attempt to improve. At the highest level you can. Terry OWNS the team. Assuming that’s the case, you still expect him to try again at GM. 

Just like you expect a GM to address a roster that has holes (of that GM’s making!)

”there’s no use trying to improve the roster, the GM in the past failed when doing so so don’t try again” - it’s just an absurd line of thought 

that Terry should fire Adams because he’s done a terrible job isn’t an opinion it’s the only logical stance possible 

Edited 2 hours ago by Thorny

[mjd1001]

2 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I remember a quote from Terry (or possibly at that time it was Kim when she was still involved) that had them saying they felt the mistake they'd made (for that season) was listening to or trusting the "hockey people" too much and a short while after that we got yes man Adams and all the great decisions we have gotten. Since then we've also seen video with behind the scenes stuff and Terry on the phone or in the meeting and talk that he's "involved" or "cares" as they spin it.  "No real point in arguing it in my opinion, it seems kind of obvious who is in charge. 

I have said that all along but according to Thorny, I'm on an island.

Better make sure you don't keep on saying that or you'll get banished to my island with me.

[Thorny]

2 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I have said a few times recently I'm OK with Adams getting fired.

So I'm on an island saying Pegula is the biggest problem?  No one else thinks that, just me?

Change your screename to "Agenda", you ae a walking, talking one. You have basically one point about this team and you twist others words to fit it.

No, that pegula is the biggest problem is obvious and is neither here nor there wrt my point 

[That Aud Smell]

fu.k outta here with the poster slap fights.

the team stinks out loud.

[EM88]

Just now, mjd1001 said:

I have said that all along but according to Thorny, I'm on an island.

Better make sure you don't keep on saying that or you'll get banished to my island with me.

I think Adams is an issue, he has made some bad decisions.  It is also obvious in my mind Pegula is the ultimate problem and he pulls a lot of strings behind the scenes as many others have pointed out.

Judging by some of the above comments, that better be a big island because there are many of us who feel the same.

[Mr Peabody]

29 minutes ago, Believer said:

What value does Stahl add?

Yes Man to Adams?

 

I think Adams is  just doing Stahl a favor to get some (however bad in this case) experience into the operations side of hockey.  An apprenticeship of sorts. 

[Thorny]

47 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I have said a few times recently I'm OK with Adams getting fired.

So I'm on an island saying Pegula is the biggest problem?  No one else thinks that, just me?

Change your screename to "Agenda", you ae a walking, talking one. You have basically one point about this team and you twist others words to fit it.

I’ve been right about the team over the last 5 years more than any other poster by far on this issue specifically, sorry, but it’s a fact 

If I have one, incredibly salient and accurate point, you have none

Edited 1 hour ago by Thorny

[Thorny]

7 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I remember a quote from Terry (or possibly at that time it was Kim when she was still involved) that had them saying they felt the mistake they'd made (for that season) was listening to or trusting the "hockey people" too much and a short while after that we got yes man Adams and all the great decisions we have gotten. Since then we've also seen video with behind the scenes stuff and Terry on the phone or in the meeting and talk that he's "involved" or "cares" as they spin it.  "No real point in arguing it in my opinion, it seems kind of obvious who is in charge. 

“Terry over meddles” is a narrative from 3 years ago. He’s generally absentee - the issue isn’t that he’s micromanaging, it’s that he leaves Adams to his own devices without adequate support both financial and otherwise 

[Goldseatsaud]

The team looks they don’t give two fuks. Ever worked for a boss who you didn’t respect. Maybe the players don’t care about management 

[mjd1001]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

I’ve been right about the team over the last 5 years more than any other poster by far, sorry, but it’s a fact 

If I have one, incredibly salient and accurate point, you have none - literally drivel 

Pump yourself up a little more. You need it.  

I'd also like to see the itemized list of all the things you are correct about vs your scorecard vs the other posters on this forum (I'm guessing its not tru)....as I have genrally found out in life that people who need to give themselves credit pubicly and say how good they are....are the ones that least often deserve it.

[Thorny]

3 minutes ago, EM88 said:

I think Adams is an issue, he has made some bad decisions.  It is also obvious in my mind Pegula is the ultimate problem and he pulls a lot of strings behind the scenes as many others have pointed out.

Judging by some of the above comments, that better be a big island because there are many of us who feel the same.

The island is people that don’t believe Adams deserves to be fired. 

[Pimlach]

11 minutes ago, Thorny said:

 

Staal and Jarmo weren’t hired as managers or assistant managers. I don’t need to let anything go unless it’s the idea you’ll admit to being wrong when you clearly are 

The words you used are “management group”, not “managers”.   You said the didn’t add to the management group   The receipts are there   

While Stahl is an entry level guy, Jarmo is not.  He is clearly part of the executive level, he attends the executive level meetings you see on imbedded.  

So the Sabres added to the “management group” and you are wrong.  You do not have to have a manager title to work in the “management group” or to be an executive.  
 

You know better, you just won’t admit it