Zach Benson: how good will he be this year?

[DarthEbriate]

1 hour ago, Broken Ankles said:

…..With better players - throughout the season, which you fail to acknowledge.  Your take that his points will increase by playing on the first line is based on nothing.  It’s a fallacy and wishful thinking.  Could they increase?  Maybe?  But it’s more probable than not Zucker is a better option to start the season. Please don’t force us to create a Concept of Benson. 

If you strike down the Concept of Benson, he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

[pi2000]

Here’s a breakdown of the regular-season point production for second-line wingers on NHL playoff teams from the 2022–2023 season: 

 

🏒 2022–2023 NHL Playoff Teams: Second-Line Wingers' Regular Season Points

 

Team Player Position GP G A PTS PPG

 

New York Rangers Alexis Lafrenière LW 82 28 29 57 0.70

New Jersey Devils Timo Meier RW 82 40 46 86 1.05

Carolina Hurricanes Seth Jarvis RW 82 21 38 59 0.72

Toronto Maple Leafs Michael Bunting LW 82 23 26 49 0.60

Minnesota Wild Matt Boldy LW 82 31 32 63 0.77

Colorado Avalanche Artturi Lehkonen LW 82 19 29 48 0.59

Dallas Stars Mason Marchment LW 81 17 30 47 0.58

Vegas Golden Knights Jonathan Marchessault LW 82 28 36 64 0.78

Los Angeles Kings Kevin Fiala LW 82 23 28 51 0.62

Boston Bruins Jake DeBrusk LW 82 27 23 50 0.61

Tampa Bay Lightning Brandon Hagel LW 82 30 34 64 0.78

Florida Panthers Carter Verhaeghe LW 82 42 31 73 0.89

Edmonton Oilers Zach Hyman LW 82 36 34 70 0.85

Seattle Kraken Jared McCann LW 79 40 30 70 0.89

New York Islanders Anders Lee LW 82 28 23 51 0.62

Winnipeg Jets Kyle Connor LW 82 31 49 80 0

 

📊 Observations

 

Point Production Range: Second-line wingers on playoff teams typically recorded between 49 and 86 points during the 2022–2023 regular season.

 

Points Per Game (PPG): This translates to approximately 0.60 to 1.05 points per game, indicating a strong offensive contribution.

 

Top Performers: Players like Timo Meier (86 points) and Kyle Connor (80 points) were standout contributors in their respective teams' top six.

 

🔍 Comparison to Your 17-Year-Old WHL Example

 

If a 17-year-old winger in the WHL records 98 points in 68 games, that equates to approximately 1.44 points per game. Projecting this to an 82-game NHL season using a typical WHL-to-NHL translation factor of 0.30, the NHLe would be: 

 

1.44 PPG × 0.30 × 82 games = ~35.5 points 

 

This projection is slightly below the typical production of a second-line winger on a playoff team.

[ska-T Palmtown]

17 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

Here’s a breakdown of the regular-season point production for second-line wingers on NHL playoff teams from the 2022–2023 season: 

 

🏒 2022–2023 NHL Playoff Teams: Second-Line Wingers' Regular Season Points

 

Team Player Position GP G A PTS PPG

 

New York Rangers Alexis Lafrenière LW 82 28 29 57 0.70

New Jersey Devils Timo Meier RW 82 40 46 86 1.05

Carolina Hurricanes Seth Jarvis RW 82 21 38 59 0.72

Toronto Maple Leafs Michael Bunting LW 82 23 26 49 0.60

Minnesota Wild Matt Boldy LW 82 31 32 63 0.77

Colorado Avalanche Artturi Lehkonen LW 82 19 29 48 0.59

Dallas Stars Mason Marchment LW 81 17 30 47 0.58

Vegas Golden Knights Jonathan Marchessault LW 82 28 36 64 0.78

Los Angeles Kings Kevin Fiala LW 82 23 28 51 0.62

Boston Bruins Jake DeBrusk LW 82 27 23 50 0.61

Tampa Bay Lightning Brandon Hagel LW 82 30 34 64 0.78

Florida Panthers Carter Verhaeghe LW 82 42 31 73 0.89

Edmonton Oilers Zach Hyman LW 82 36 34 70 0.85

Seattle Kraken Jared McCann LW 79 40 30 70 0.89

New York Islanders Anders Lee LW 82 28 23 51 0.62

Winnipeg Jets Kyle Connor LW 82 31 49 80 0

 

📊 Observations

 

Point Production Range: Second-line wingers on playoff teams typically recorded between 49 and 86 points during the 2022–2023 regular season.

 

Points Per Game (PPG): This translates to approximately 0.60 to 1.05 points per game, indicating a strong offensive contribution.

 

Top Performers: Players like Timo Meier (86 points) and Kyle Connor (80 points) were standout contributors in their respective teams' top six.

 

🔍 Comparison to Your 17-Year-Old WHL Example

 

If a 17-year-old winger in the WHL records 98 points in 68 games, that equates to approximately 1.44 points per game. Projecting this to an 82-game NHL season using a typical WHL-to-NHL translation factor of 0.30, the NHLe would be: 

 

1.44 PPG × 0.30 × 82 games = ~35.5 points 

 

This projection is slightly below the typical production of a second-line winger on a playoff team.

But that is only one second line winger per team, presumably the highest scoring second line wing? Add in that Meier and Conner likely outscored at least one wing on the first line of their respective teams and I find this data less than compelling. I am not say I don't agree that Benson's point production is borderline for a playoff team's second line, I just think your data is incomplete.

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, pi2000 said:

Here’s a breakdown of the regular-season point production for second-line wingers on NHL playoff teams from the 2022–2023 season: 

 

🏒 2022–2023 NHL Playoff Teams: Second-Line Wingers' Regular Season Points

 

Team Player Position GP G A PTS PPG

 

New York Rangers Alexis Lafrenière LW 82 28 29 57 0.70

New Jersey Devils Timo Meier RW 82 40 46 86 1.05

Carolina Hurricanes Seth Jarvis RW 82 21 38 59 0.72

Toronto Maple Leafs Michael Bunting LW 82 23 26 49 0.60

Minnesota Wild Matt Boldy LW 82 31 32 63 0.77

Colorado Avalanche Artturi Lehkonen LW 82 19 29 48 0.59

Dallas Stars Mason Marchment LW 81 17 30 47 0.58

Vegas Golden Knights Jonathan Marchessault LW 82 28 36 64 0.78

Los Angeles Kings Kevin Fiala LW 82 23 28 51 0.62

Boston Bruins Jake DeBrusk LW 82 27 23 50 0.61

Tampa Bay Lightning Brandon Hagel LW 82 30 34 64 0.78

Florida Panthers Carter Verhaeghe LW 82 42 31 73 0.89

Edmonton Oilers Zach Hyman LW 82 36 34 70 0.85

Seattle Kraken Jared McCann LW 79 40 30 70 0.89

New York Islanders Anders Lee LW 82 28 23 51 0.62

Winnipeg Jets Kyle Connor LW 82 31 49 80 0

 

📊 Observations

 

Point Production Range: Second-line wingers on playoff teams typically recorded between 49 and 86 points during the 2022–2023 regular season.

 

Points Per Game (PPG): This translates to approximately 0.60 to 1.05 points per game, indicating a strong offensive contribution.

 

Top Performers: Players like Timo Meier (86 points) and Kyle Connor (80 points) were standout contributors in their respective teams' top six.

 

🔍 Comparison to Your 17-Year-Old WHL Example

 

If a 17-year-old winger in the WHL records 98 points in 68 games, that equates to approximately 1.44 points per game. Projecting this to an 82-game NHL season using a typical WHL-to-NHL translation factor of 0.30, the NHLe would be: 

 

1.44 PPG × 0.30 × 82 games = ~35.5 points 

 

This projection is slightly below the typical production of a second-line winger on a playoff team.

What nonsense. You're using projections, which fine okay, and then you picked wingers based on your own feels. Meier at those numbers for example, would be not only highest scoring winger on NJ but the 2nd highest scorer period. That's not a "2nd line winger" 

Just a total garbage analysis here. Be better. It's what's the average pt production for the 4th winger on a playoff team, not this nonsense. 

[LGR4GM]

God, even with Ruff being awful, the team being GMd by Kevyn, and the general malaise of the team, I hope Benson drops 70pts so I can come back to this thread and be like "cool, sure".

[pi2000]

17 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

What nonsense. You're using projections, which fine okay, and then you picked wingers based on your own feels. Meier at those numbers for example, would be not only highest scoring winger on NJ but the 2nd highest scorer period. That's not a "2nd line winger" 

Just a total garbage analysis here. Be better. It's what's the average pt production for the 4th winger on a playoff team, not this nonsense. 

For a second-line winger on a typical playoff team, a point total in the range of 55-70 points is a reasonable expectation. This is an increase from the general average of about 50 points, which accounts for the fact that playoff teams generally have more depth and stronger offensive production throughout their lineup.

 

[pi2000]

32 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

God, even with Ruff being awful, the team being GMd by Kevyn, and the general malaise of the team, I hope Benson drops 70pts so I can come back to this thread and be like "cool, sure".

I'll say this, if they deploy him on the first line and gets regular PP minutes, he could get close to 60pts.... which would be acceptable on a non-playoff team like Buffalo.

That said, you want to be taken seriously as a playoff contender?

Do. Better.