Do You Like The JJP for Kesselring/Doan Trade RIGHT NOW?

[OrangeSeatVertigo]

1 hour ago, Turbo44 said:

Robertson have a NMC? I don’t think so

hope not.  trading for him would work for sure

[MISabresFan]

4 hours ago, OrangeSeatVertigo said:

any "big swing" player will have a no trade clause, which means they ain't comin to WNY, so "big swings" are probably not possible

I hope I am wrong. 

I think he (KA) is done with any other "big" moves based on his track record. 

It is not in his DNA.  He made what he would consider a big trade, and he could not handle another one.  All maxed out.  He needs time to rest, grab an IV and recover.  He needs time to absorb what he just did and think about it.  Ponder, reminds me of Eeyore.  Any other moves and it will mess up his plan to do what is best to improve this team.   

It will be fun to watch the rest of the NHL during the next few months as the Sabre's fade into the sunset.  Not to be heard again but to read, they signed "x" to a two-way contract for $950,000.

Oh, and KA might have to talk to Tage about it to make sure it is ok...

Edited 8 hours ago by MISabresFan

[JP51]

4 hours ago, OrangeSeatVertigo said:

any "big swing" player will have a no trade clause, which means they ain't comin to WNY, so "big swings" are probably not possible

Yes I know this and have said it before for sure... I think my sentiment was if they are in active shoe string mode that's bad if they are in gather money to try and take a big swing then good the difference is in the attitude not the result. Bottom line is one big hit doesn't change it all... they need consistent transformative positive change in attitude toughness and skill as well as experience

[dudacek]

Not sure if this got posted elsewhere, but Ray Ferraro had an interesting nugget in his podcast with Dreger.

Said he broadcast a game in the back end of the season where Peterka would come off of his shifts and plop down with his body positioned in such a way that he was turned away from the bench like he was checked out.

Not clear if it was aimed at coaches or teammates, just that something was broken.

His take on the trade was that the Sabres are/were getting blown up because people just don’t know the Utah players; not big names, not a big market.

He thinks Peterka is the best player in the deal but people don’t know how good Kesselring is and the Sabres did fine.

[dudacek]

I’ve started to become quite interested in what broke in the JJ/Buffalo relationship.

He previously always came across as boyish and kinda goofy; maybe not the brightest bulb in the room, but a good kid. The body language stuff that got talked about this year was real though and there was a shift in his demeanour, even as his stats and role got elevated.

I wonder now how much of the on-ice stuff I got tired of watching was cause and how much was effect?

I wonder about his relationship with his new coach and that coach’s talk about culture.

I think about the stories on how hard that coach was on Thomas Vanek and how Vanek says it was good for him and how Andrew Peters scoffs.

I think about my perception of how JJ has been put on a pedestal by this organization, how he started the year being celebrated and kinda giddy in the visit to Europe and how Adams seems to be caught by surprise on how this relationship went sideways.

This isn’t an “I’m tired of losing” thing. And I’m pretty sure it’s not a “they won’t pay me” thing. Something changed.

Gotta go back and do a rewatch of JJ’s year-ender.

Edited 6 hours ago by dudacek

[Taro T]

33 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I’ve started to become quite interested in what broke in the JJ/Buffalo relationship.

He previously always came across as boyish and kinda goofy; maybe not the brightest bulb in the room, but a good kid. The body language stuff that got talked about this year was real though and there was a shift in his demeanour, even as his stats and role got elevated.

I wonder now how much of the on-ice stuff I got tired of watching was cause and how much was effect?

I wonder about his relationship with his new coach and that coach’s talk about culture.

I think about the stories on how hard that coach was on Thomas Vanek and how Vanek says it was good for him and how Andrew Peters scoffs.

I think about my perception of how JJ has been put on a pedestal by this organization, how he started the year being celebrated and kinda giddy in the visit to Europe and how Adams seems to be caught by surprise on how this relationship went sideways.

This isn’t an “I’m tired of losing” thing. And I’m pretty sure it’s not a “they won’t pay me” thing. Something changed.

Gotta go back and do a rewatch of JJ’s year-ender.

Interesting.

Just for context, Quinn and Peterka were the B&GI players in January of 23.  So, yeah, he wasn't always of the "get me the f out of here, now" bent.

[bob_sauve28]

51 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I’ve started to become quite interested in what broke in the JJ/Buffalo relationship.

He previously always came across as boyish and kinda goofy; maybe not the brightest bulb in the room, but a good kid. The body language stuff that got talked about this year was real though and there was a shift in his demeanour, even as his stats and role got elevated.

I wonder now how much of the on-ice stuff I got tired of watching was cause and how much was effect?

I wonder about his relationship with his new coach and that coach’s talk about culture.

I think about the stories on how hard that coach was on Thomas Vanek and how Vanek says it was good for him and how Andrew Peters scoffs.

I think about my perception of how JJ has been put on a pedestal by this organization, how he started the year being celebrated and kinda giddy in the visit to Europe and how Adams seems to be caught by surprise on how this relationship went sideways.

This isn’t an “I’m tired of losing” thing. And I’m pretty sure it’s not a “they won’t pay me” thing. Something changed.

Gotta go back and do a rewatch of JJ’s year-ender.

I think it just comes down to the "we need to be harder to play against" and not give up as many goals. 

[K-9]

5 hours ago, dudacek said:

I’ve started to become quite interested in what broke in the JJ/Buffalo relationship.

He previously always came across as boyish and kinda goofy; maybe not the brightest bulb in the room, but a good kid. The body language stuff that got talked about this year was real though and there was a shift in his demeanour, even as his stats and role got elevated.

I wonder now how much of the on-ice stuff I got tired of watching was cause and how much was effect?

I wonder about his relationship with his new coach and that coach’s talk about culture.

I think about the stories on how hard that coach was on Thomas Vanek and how Vanek says it was good for him and how Andrew Peters scoffs.

I think about my perception of how JJ has been put on a pedestal by this organization, how he started the year being celebrated and kinda giddy in the visit to Europe and how Adams seems to be caught by surprise on how this relationship went sideways.

This isn’t an “I’m tired of losing” thing. And I’m pretty sure it’s not a “they won’t pay me” thing. Something changed.

Gotta go back and do a rewatch of JJ’s year-ender.

I’m convinced he chafed against Lindy’s tough love coaching style. And I have to believe that included calling JJ out during video reviews. JJ had been coddled by Granato’s TLC approach and just wasn’t prepared for the complete 180 by Lindy.