CallawaySabres Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Jury still out on Derek Carr. Schneider fell into Wilson only after giving Flynn crazy contract in free agency. If anyone should have known better it was him. Want to try again(That hammer to head is your hint) there are none. Lucking into a great QB makes the GN, not the other way around. There in no jury out on Carr, the guy is top 5 in the NFL and he can literally make every throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 There in no jury out on Carr, the guy is top 5 in the NFL and he can literally make every throw. Rob Johnson could make every throw. There are several experts that attribute Carr's success to his team and still not sold on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Rob Johnson could make every throw. There are several experts that attribute Carr's success to his team and still not sold on him. He reminds me of a young Rich Gannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 He reminds me of a young Rich Gannon. I don't know about that. If he has Gannon's smarts with his athleticism then Callaway is right, he'd be top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 I don't know about that. If he has Gannon's smarts with his athleticism then Callaway is right, he'd be top 5. I am no expert but from what I saw of Carr last year, if I could select ONE player to build an NFL team around, it would be him, no joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 I am no expert but from what I saw of Carr last year, if I could select ONE player to build an NFL team around, it would be him, no joke. Same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 I am no expert but from what I saw of Carr last year, if I could select ONE player to build an NFL team around, it would be him, no joke. Not saying I disagree other then that I would choose Marriotts but people we both respect have said otherwise. Maybe it's the David Carr effect, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Carr will be interesting this year. Keep in mind that teams have had an entire offseason to look at game tape so he might have to adjust to that. Call it the Cardale Jones effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Carr will be interesting this year. Keep in mind that teams have had an entire offseason to look at game tape so he might have to adjust to that. Call it the Cardale Jones effect. This isn't his 2nd year doing it though, it's his 3rd. To me, your situation is more applicable to Prescott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 This isn't his 2nd year doing it though, it's his 3rd. To me, your situation is more applicable to Prescott Really, 3rd year already? Oh hell just looked it is year 4. I thought he sat a year. I am mis-remembering like crazy today. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1664819/derek-carr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 This isn't his 2nd year doing it though, it's his 3rd. To me, your situation is more applicable to Prescott The stat I care about is playoff success since that seems to be why those that want TT replaced draw their line. "He might be able to sneak in but he'll never win!" A lot of guys can put up Dalton numbers but is it any different if they can't win in January and February? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 The stat I care about is playoff success since that seems to be why those that want TT replaced draw their line. "He might be able to sneak in but he'll never win!" A lot of guys can put up Dalton numbers but is it any different if they can't win in January and February? Can't argue against that. Guess we'll know this year, unless he has another freak accident and breaks his leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Can't argue against that. Guess we'll know this year, unless he has another freak accident and breaks his leg. I was just being a jerk but the point remains, as long as criteria for Tyrod is that he is only good enough to get into playoffs and lose, then anyone without a win is unproven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 I was just being a jerk but the point remains, as long as criteria for Tyrod is that he is only good enough to get into playoffs and lose, then anyone without a win is unproven. He also pulled his team to 12 wins with a worse defense than Buffalo last year. QB's Lives Matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 He also pulled his team to 12 wins with a worse defense than Buffalo last year. QB's Lives Matter. Can't argue the results, just too early to tell the doubters they are wrong. This year should be definitive. Schedule a lot tougher and big expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 He also pulled his team to 12 wins with a worse defense than Buffalo last year. QB's Lives Matter. Disagree with it if you will, but according to Football Outsider's defensive efficiency ratings, the Bills had the 27th ranked defense to Oakland's 22nd ranked defense, and 28th to Oakland's 20th when games toward the end of the season are weighted more heavily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Disagree with it if you will, but according to Football Outsider's defensive efficiency ratings, the Bills had the 27th ranked defense to Oakland's 22nd ranked defense, and 28th to Oakland's 20th when games toward the end of the season are weighted more heavily. The best defensive teams in NFL history allowed few points and yards. By the basic measure, Oakland was worse. I am not going to argue about what advanced metric is best. Just saying there is no need to overcomplicate things to make Tyrod look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 The best defensive teams in NFL history allowed few points and yards. By the basic measure, Oakland was worse. I am not going to argue about what advanced metric is best. Just saying there is no need to overcomplicate things to make Tyrod look better. There is no complicating things here to make Tyrod look better. On a per-drive basis, Buffalo's defense allowed 0.7 fewer yards than Oakland's, but gave up .04 more points, while facing easier competition. And what defenses have to do with Tyrod is beyond me. That's your own projection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 There is no complicating things here to make Tyrod look better. On a per-drive basis, Buffalo's defense allowed 0.7 fewer yards than Oakland's, but gave up .04 more points, while facing easier competition. And what defenses have to do with Tyrod is beyond me. That's your own projection. Use whatever you want. The problem with advanced stats is you can use them to come up with whatever conclusion you want. That's why I personally like to keep it simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Use whatever you want. The problem with advanced stats is you can use them to come up with whatever conclusion you want. That's why I personally like to keep it simple. So what you're saying is you're using simple stats to come up with the conclusion you want. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) So what you're saying is you're using simple stats to come up with the conclusion you want. Got it.No, the opposite. I am saying is people use advanced stats to come up with the conclusion that they want. The best defenses in NFL history all excel in yards and points allowed. No need to overcomplicate it. If you present an advanced stat is incumbent on you to present why it is superior. Edited August 23, 2017 by jeffismagic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) No, the opposite. I am saying is people use advanced stats to come up with the conclusion that they want. The best defenses in NFL history all excel in yards and points allowed. No need to overcomplicate it. If you present an advanced stat is incumbent on you to present why it is superior. The best defenses in NFL history all excel in advanced stats. If you present a simple stat, it is incumbent on you to present why it is superior. See what I did there? Edited August 24, 2017 by JujuFish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 I am no expert but from what I saw of Carr last year, if I could select ONE player to build an NFL team around, it would be him, no joke. And Khalil Mack might be the best defensive player in the NFL. The Raiders got both Carr and Mack in the same draft. Talk about franchise-altering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Vlad Ducasse to start next to Jordan Mills for the Bills this week. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 And Khalil Mack might be the best defensive player in the NFL. The Raiders got both Carr and Mack in the same draft. Talk about franchise-altering! And we drafted Watkins. Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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