North Buffalo Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 So not having Jack, does this help or hurt lifting the Sabres outta the "doldrums". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) I replied in the other thread. Well more talent is always better than less talent. But I think Jack is a difference maker. Him being out exposes the fact that we do not have the top line depth to ice 2 legit scoring lines. At the end of last year, when ROR was hurt, he and Sam stepped up and lead this team. I think Nylander will a similar asset. The more weapons the better. But it also requires that those weapons are used properly. Where I see a potential issue, is trying to make creative skilled players conform to a system instead of creating a system to get the most of creative skilled players. When Jack and Kane get back, we will have balance across the top 9. Right now, we have our 3 best offensive players on the same line. Distribution of those weapons makes the team better and an unlikely lottery winner. Jmho. I would add that the thing that impresses me the most about the Leafs under Babcock right now, is that he is not handcuffing his young skill guys. He knows that they are bad defensively and their only chance of winning is through outpacing the opponent on the offensive end. His system of quick short passes, cycling and shooting as a pass are allowing the young guys to develop their offensive talent in the bigs while being patient about developing the other side. He is playing the long game, and is as much fun to watch as Jack and Sam late last year. Edited October 21, 2016 by 3putt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) I replied in the other thread. Well more talent is always better than less talent. But I think Jack is a difference maker. Him being out exposes the fact that we do not have the top line depth to ice 2 legit scoring lines. At the end of last year, when ROR was hurt, he and Sam stepped up and lead this team. I think Nylander will a similar asset. The more weapons the better. But it also requires that those weapons are used properly. Where I see a potential issue, is trying to make creative skilled players conform to a system instead of creating a system to get the most of creative skilled players. When Jack and Kane get back, we will have balance across the top 9. Right now, we have our 3 best offensive players on the same line. Distribution of those weapons makes the team better and an unlikely lottery winner. Jmho.p I would add that the thing that impresses me the most about the Leafs under Babcock right now, is that he is not handcuffing his young skill guys. He knows that they are bad defensively and their only chance of winning is through outpacing the opponent on the offensive end. His system of quick short passes, cycling and shooting as a pass are allowing the young guys to develop their offensive talent in the bigs while being patient about developing the other side. He is playing the long game, and is as much fun to watch as Jack and Sam late last year. Definetly some merritt on coaching but want to stay away from that side of things... other than Nylander do Sabres have and or need another in system or in next year's draft to get them over the hump. This year does not having Jack help the development of the young guys till he gets back? Or do they need another big time stud especially on D but possibly on O. do any of the Murray recruits step up? Edited October 21, 2016 by North Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 My point is I think we have good assets in Fasching and Baptiste. Put them together with Samson. Now you have the ability to generate chances. Instead of Sam on the wing. Could we use more? Sure, everyone can. But until we are ready to except mistakes of inexperience, we won't maximize our offensive potential. Add back Jack and Kane and this is a stronger lineup. Add Nylander it gets stronger. And we will have a pick in the first and multiples thereafter this year. Jack is an elite player who can single handedly change an outcome. Sam makes those around them better. Use them in those roles and we really a better team. Unfortunately that implicates the person responsible for usage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 I think the organization has enough top pieces to not need another top ten pick. Depth is the problem. There is something wrong if this team drafts high again, and so I think Jack being out is 100% bad for the franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 I think the organization has enough top pieces to not need another top ten pick. Depth is the problem. There is something wrong if this team drafts high again, and so I think Jack being out is 100% bad for the franchise.tbf a top 10 picks helps a lot with that depth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 tbf a top 10 picks helps a lot with that depth In three years, yeah. We need depth guys yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 In three years, yeah. We need depth guys yesterday. I disagree on both counts. If we don't rightbthe ship, a high pick will help sooner than later. Nylander could be on the big club by the All Star break. We have the guys you want in Fasching Baptiste Carrier and Bailey. I would rather have any of those guys playing ahead of Dlo or Grant or hell Ennis. They can get better. Will they? Nobody knows for sure, but the others ceilings are apparent. But to do that you have to be willing to ride the rollercoaster. They will make mistakes and they can't be afraid to do so. In the end I think their upside is worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Bring on the Roller Coaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Bring on the Roller Coaster Roller Coaster. Duh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh. duh nuh nuh. Roller coaster.. Guitar riffs Vocals Roller coaster Great tune! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 (edited) Roller Coaster. Duh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh. duh nuh nuh. Roller coaster.. Guitar riffs Vocals Roller coaster Great tune! Medusa? or Ohio Players? Edited October 22, 2016 by North Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Medusa? or Ohio Players? I think Ohio. Rollercoaster... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 So not having Jack, does this help or hurt lifting the Sabres outta the "doldrums". Not sure how having one of your best players out of the lineup helps in any way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Not sure how having one of your best players out of the lineup helps in any way Are you familiar with Ewing Theory? :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 "Long term"? Like over the course of 3 or 4 years? It won't make ANY difference he is out 7 or 8 weeks. Kind of ridiculous when you think about what you are asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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