Warriorspikes51 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Trade for Keith Yandle from PHX. He is hesitant to sign a long-term deal there due to the question marks surrounding whether PHX will move or not. We could have Myers(presumably), Yandle, Ehrhoff locked up long term. Acquiring this player would give us an insanely talented defense that could overcome the shortcomings at center up front. Since the trend has been to build up the defense (and they have done an exceptional job), why not keep doing it if the opportunity is available. Ruff really loves creating offense from the defense joining the rush and getting Yandle helps that even more. Considering how we want to win now, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Darcy and company have at least tossed around the idea. The question is what would it take to get him.... Myers Regehr Yandle Ehrhoff Leopold Weber Gragnani :worthy: :clapping: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullwinkle Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Here's my idea for Yandle... Trade Weber, Sekera, Vanek, Boyes, Pomminstein and a 2nd pick next year for Yandle, Doan, and Hanzal I would do that trade in a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Maybe I'm wrong but I can't imagine Phoenix wanting to take on $20 million in salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullwinkle Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Maybe I'm wrong but I can't imagine Phoenix wanting to take on $20 million in salary. They have the space and given their doubtful future, what better way to get promising talent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Maybe I'm wrong but I can't imagine Phoenix wanting to take on $20 million in salary. That, and Shane Doan wouldn't waive his no trade clause to come here. In fact, i don't think he'd waive it to go anywhere. He's gonna play til he drops in Phoenix, and if the team moves, he'll retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Here's my idea for Yandle... Trade Weber, Sekera, Vanek, Boyes, Pomminstein and a 2nd pick next year for Yandle, Doan, and Hanzal I would do that trade in a minute. They have the space and given their doubtful future, what better way to get promising talent? What is so "promising" about paying Boyes and Pominville $9.3 million for one season and then having them become unrestricted free agents? Not to mention that while I love Doan, I'd much rather have 27-year old Vanek for 3 more seasons than 34-year old Doan in the last year of his deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Here's my idea for Yandle... Trade Weber, Sekera, Vanek, Boyes, Pomminstein and a 2nd pick next year for Yandle, Doan, and Hanzal I would do that trade in a minute. I would add Leino, Ennis, Stafford and especially DR to your list and then rename the team the Desert Bisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 I would add Leino, Ennis, Stafford and especially DR to your list and then rename the team the Desert Bisons. We should send myers their way too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullwinkle Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 What is so "promising" about paying Boyes and Pominville $9.3 million for one season and then having them become unrestricted free agents? Not to mention that while I love Doan, I'd much rather have 27-year old Vanek for 3 more seasons than 34-year old Doan in the last year of his deal. And I would not. Sure Doan is on the downside, but we could use his experience and abilities, even now. He would easily be a top six forward. But the prize in this trade for us would be Yandle and Hanzal - a 6'5", 220 lb. center just entering the breakout period in his career. The "promising talent" I referred to is obviously not Pomminstein or Boyes - you do see that, don't you? Obviously I'm referring to Weber and Sekera. By ridding ourselves of an overpaid player like Pomminstein and our extra talent on defense, we would pick up a future all-star defenseman, a potential first line center, and an experienced talent on right wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted July 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 no need to trade half the team...... just get Yandle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 only way I would want Yandle is if Leopald is going somewhere. Otherwise it's just to many offensive type D imho. Also I don't pretend to know alot about Yandle but I was very underwhelmed by him in the playoffs this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanbe Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 That, and Shane Doan wouldn't waive his no trade clause to come here. In fact, i don't think he'd waive it to go anywhere. He's gonna play til he drops in Phoenix, and if the team moves, he'll retire. Yep. I live in Phoenix and Doaner ain't going nowhere. He loves it here and I do think he would retire then move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesportsbuff Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 personally i think our defense is fine without Yandle.. he doesn't add THAT much that Leopold or Sekera or whoever he would be replacing does.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullwinkle Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Yep. I live in Phoenix and Doaner ain't going nowhere. He loves it here and I do think he would retire then move on. That's a different issue. I was speaking of the trade for what it is. NMCs and such are another matter entirely, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullwinkle Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 personally i think our defense is fine without Yandle.. he doesn't add THAT much that Leopold or Sekera or whoever he would be replacing does.. Yandle won't be an instant superstar, but he will be in the next few years...certainly by the time Regehr's contract is up. But he's just a part of the trade value IMO. Hanzal is important for our future and Doan is a veteran who would give us the offense we need right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullwinkle Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 BTW, anyone thinking of Ladd? Negotiations are not going well and it looks like arbitration. Adam for Ladd? Just an idea, but if we can trade for his rights and lose some salary, there might be a fit. Similar situation in NY with Dubinsky and Callahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 BTW, anyone thinking of Ladd? Negotiations are not going well and it looks like arbitration. Adam for Ladd? Just an idea, but if we can trade for his rights and lose some salary, there might be a fit. Similar situation in NY with Dubinsky and Callahan. Would love to get Callahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Would love to get Callahan. Seconded. If not just for endless Dirty Harry jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Would love to get Callahan. I would prefer Dubinsky myself. Mostly I wonder if Callahan's body can hold up with his style of play and smaller frame. I would put the over/under for games played per year for Callahan somewhere around 62. In he meantime, he's a fun player to watch and leaves it all on the ice. Quite a change from Jagr and Nylander Rangers of 5 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Dance Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Trade for Keith Yandle from PHX. He is hesitant to sign a long-term deal there due to the question marks surrounding whether PHX will move or not. We could have Myers(presumably), Yandle, Ehrhoff locked up long term. Acquiring this player would give us an insanely talented defense that could overcome the shortcomings at center up front. Since the trend has been to build up the defense (and they have done an exceptional job), why not keep doing it if the opportunity is available. Ruff really loves creating offense from the defense joining the rush and getting Yandle helps that even more. Considering how we want to win now, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Darcy and company have at least tossed around the idea. The question is what would it take to get him.... Myers Regehr Yandle Ehrhoff Leopold Weber Gragnani :worthy: :clapping: Trading for a center may be a moot point. According to an article in the News, "The Sabres needed a center, and though Leino played left wing with the Flyers, he'll be in the middle with Buffalo. He played center growing up and prefers the position." Perhaps the "old" Darcy (who put together the 2005-06 team) is back. He certainly seems to have done his homework on Leino. News Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 The "promising talent" I referred to is obviously not Pomminstein or Boyes - you do see that, don't you? Obviously I'm referring to Weber and Sekera. ... experienced talent on right wing. yes, i see that. And i understand why you like Yandle and Hanzal. I'll even give you Doan over Vanek since we have to give them something in the deal just from a hockey standpoint. My objection is that it is wildly unrealistic to think that a franchise bleeding money is going to take on all that salary while giving up younger, cheaper talent like yandle and hanzal. Basically you are asking them to trade doan (face of the franchise), yandle (best player last season) and hanzal (rare legit center with size) for Vanek and two defensemen who yes are promising but very unproven. Yeah, you are throwing in pommer and boyes to even it out hockey-wise, but you know they are unlikely part of the future for them and the reality is the pricetag on those guys is just doing us a favor and getting them very little return. (not to mention they just took on 3 wingers while giving up a center and not getting one back ... It may be "fair" but i am not sure it really makes them better.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 And I would not. Sure Doan is on the downside, but we could use his experience and abilities, even now. He would easily be a top six forward. But the prize in this trade for us would be Yandle and Hanzal - a 6'5", 220 lb. center just entering the breakout period in his career. The "promising talent" I referred to is obviously not Pomminstein or Boyes - you do see that, don't you? Obviously I'm referring to Weber and Sekera. By ridding ourselves of an overpaid player like Pomminstein and our extra talent on defense, we would pick up a future all-star defenseman, a potential first line center, and an experienced talent on right wing. Doan is done in a couple of years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 no need to trade half the team...... just get Yandle +22 he is the piece that makes some sense.. Hanzel is ranked where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Yandle won't be an instant superstar, but he will be in the next few years...certainly by the time Regehr's contract is up. But he's just a part of the trade value IMO. Hanzal is important for our future and Doan is a veteran who would give us the offense we need right now. Where were the Sabres ranked offensively last season? Where do you expect them to be this year with a healthy DR, an improved power play, Ville Leino as a potential true 1 center and Ehroff? I like Doan but he is 1. old 2. would never leave and 3. his numbers are not that awesome. He has no upside. Hanzal is all potential.. Yandle i got to give you but that trade takes a lot less firepower to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Where were the Sabres ranked offensively last season? Where do you expect them to be this year with a healthy DR, an improved power play, Ville Leino as a potential true 1 center and Ehroff? I like Doan but he is 1. old 2. would never leave and 3. his numbers are not that awesome. He has no upside. Hanzal is all potential.. Yandle i got to give you but that trade takes a lot less firepower to do. ninth no? Offense wasn't our biggest problem last season, not by a long shot! it was team defense, back checking, and suspicious goal tending at times (by all parties involved, less Enroth during his flashy streak at the end of the season) I think if we were to get a good defensive forward, we'd be set, and as far as I can tell, Leino is very responsible defensively. I think we need to sit for now, and if a good offer comes our way or becomes available, maybe pull the trigger, but i like this teams chances right now, as it stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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