Hawk Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Penner is big. He is having a pretty good year. Good PP guy. Oilers have cap issues and probably will not make playoffs. Anyone have any thoughts on this guy? Besides Oilers owe us for the Vanek affair. :censored: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 I like the idea and have raised it before. He is a relatively young guy, 27, is a UFA at the end of the season and has 43 points in 50 games. 21G 22A. For more info visit http://oilers.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8471208. He played for portland in 2005. So Dineen should be familiar with him as this was Dineen's first season in Portland. I think they should go for it. Also, this appears to be a bit of a break out year for Penner, so if the Sabres want to sign him, they should be careful about overpaying. He is a career 20+ goal average and 20 point guy. He already has that this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Vanek, Stafford, Sekera Souray, Penner, draft pick Sabres get PP QB & power forward Oilers get coveted Vanek, prodigal son Stafford, inexpensive D & cap relief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Vanek, Stafford, Sekera Souray, Penner, draft pick Sabres get PP QB & power forward Oilers get coveted Vanek, prodigal son Stafford, inexpensive D & cap relief Sounds like a good exchange. But We both know that the odds of this are about as likely as you hooking up w/ spndchz. :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk Posted January 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 I like the idea and have raised it before. He is a relatively young guy, 27, is a UFA at the end of the season and has 43 points in 50 games. 21G 22A. For more info visit http://oilers.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8471208. He played for portland in 2005. So Dineen should be familiar with him as this was Dineen's first season in Portland. I think they should go for it. Also, this appears to be a bit of a break out year for Penner, so if the Sabres want to sign him, they should be careful about overpaying. He is a career 20+ goal average and 20 point guy. He already has that this year. Actually he is signed through 2011/2012, with a 4.5 mil cap hit. http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=EDM&season=0910 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Hmmm ... would Darcy give Edmonton Vanek after paying the $5.2 million signing bonus (spread over the first two years of his contract, bumping his $6.4 million salary to $10 and $8 million, respectively)? Would Lowe, after taking such flack for "overpaying" the underachieving Penner as a knee-jerk reaction to not getting his initial target, trade the finally producing Penner for that now underachieving original target, Vanek? While the reviews of Penner's "complete game" play this year seem like a great potential addition to the Sabres' roster and Vanek might perform better (statistically, anyway) under a different system, I'm guessing that neither side would want to go through that potentially embarrassing trade. It would be a huge deal in the media due to the 2007 link between those two teams, GMs and players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk Posted January 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Hmmm ... would Darcy give Edmonton Vanek after paying the $5.2 million signing bonus (spread over the first two years of his contract, bumping his $6.4 million salary to $10 and $8 million, respectively)? Would Lowe, after taking such flack for "overpaying" the underachieving Penner as a knee-jerk reaction to not getting his initial target, trade the finally producing Penner for that now underachieving original target, Vanek? While the reviews of Penner's "complete game" play this year seem like a great potential addition to the Sabres' roster and Vanek might perform better (statistically, anyway) under a different system, I'm guessing that neither side would want to go through that potentially embarrassing trade. It would be a huge deal in the media due to the 2007 link between those two teams, GMs and players. I dont think vanek would be a part of this trade if it happened. They are trying to cut salary not stay status quo. Vanek in that trade would make no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearTheReaper Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 I would love to have a prototypical Power Forward like Dustin Penner in the blue and gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 I dont think vanek would be a part of this trade if it happened. They are trying to cut salary not stay status quo. Vanek in that trade would make no sense. I was responding to Ink's trade suggestion. Souray + Penner = $9.65 million in cap hit for two players. Vanek + Stafford + Sekera = $10 million for three players. It wouldn't be a major shedding of salary (cap), but they could also not re-sign (or trade away) another player to net a reduction is cap (for example, not re-signing Pisani, who made $2.5 million and is an UFA.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk Posted January 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 I was responding to Ink's trade suggestion. Souray + Penner = $9.65 million in cap hit for two players. Vanek + Stafford + Sekera = $10 million for three players. It wouldn't be a major shedding of salary (cap), but they could also not re-sign (or trade away) another player to net a reduction is cap (for example, not re-signing Pisani, who made $2.5 million and is an UFA.) I wasnt directing my reply to you, just stating my opinion. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Vanek, Stafford, Sekera Souray, Penner, draft pick Sabres get PP QB & power forward Oilers get coveted Vanek, prodigal son Stafford, inexpensive D & cap relief Souray is more of a big shot from the point instead of a PP QB. If you want a true PP QB, think Visnovsky of Edmonton. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Actually he is signed through 2011/2012, with a 4.5 mil cap hit. http://www.nhlnumber...EDM&season=0910 Hmm, thought he was on a list of UFA that I saw, my bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Penner on the Sabres would be some what of a dream move. Maybe even a move that puts us over the top. But, i think he's someone they want to build their team around. This team won't trade Vanek. Not during the season. Not when their fighting for first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Paging Shrader.. wish we had a thread to discuss issues such as these.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 This team won't trade Vanek. Not during the season. Not when their fighting for first place. Only because of PR, not because he's some sort of integral part of the team. I could name half a dozen players more important to this teams success than Thomas Vanek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Only because of PR, not because he's some sort of integral part of the team. I could name half a dozen players more important to this teams success than Thoman Vanek. Half a dozen seems a little high. Miller, Myers, Gaustad, Ellis :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Half a dozen seems a little high. Miller, Myers, Gaustad, Ellis :) Miller, Myers, Gaustad, Ellis, Grier, Tallinder, Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Miller, Myers, Gaustad, Ellis, Grier, Tallinder, Roy How did I forget Grier? Definitely on the list. I guess since I was adding my joke pick of Ellis (of course I do really like having Ellis on the team) I forget to add Grier. Since I said to trade Roy in another thread I can't add him to my list. I'd have to think about Tallinder a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cereal Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 How did I forget Grier? Definitely on the list. I guess since I was adding my joke pick of Ellis (of course I do really like having Ellis on the team) I forget to add Grier. Since I said to trade Roy in another thread I can't add him to my list. I'd have to think about Tallinder a bit. Is it sad that our Captain doesn't make this list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Only because of PR, not because he's some sort of integral part of the team. I could name half a dozen players more important to this teams success than Thomas Vanek. Not only because it would be a PR disaster, but also, because he still has the potential of breaking out any moment. Will it happen? Who knows. Malkin in Pittsburgh has been struggling all season too, had like 14 goals until a recent hat trick. Even when he wasn't scoring, each time he was on the ice he was a threat. I'm not saying Vanek isn't struggling, because he is. But, most players your thinking of, are what they are. Vanek could become world class. Maybe it'd be for 3 weeks? Maybe for longer? The potential is there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Funny how much difference a year makes. Penner was getting killed last year for being an out of shape mediocre player with a BIG contract. Now...he may be considered part of their rebuilding core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 I don't see Penner getting moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foligno's Nose Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Miller, Myers, Gaustad, Ellis, Grier, Tallinder, Roy Miller, Myers, Gaustad, Ellis, Grier, Tallinder, Roy Even with all the GWG's, Roy should be playing a larger role then he is. I feel Roy is the bait to acquire the needed change up front. (Along with Stafford, Gerbe, Weber, draft picks, etc...) Connolly's offense is leading his line and I hope he continues. I wish we had someone to partner with Vanek on a regular basis and have success. Roy just isn't the answer there. He is just a complimentary player. Right now he is complimenting no one. I am disapointed Kennedy's game fell off, but I have high hopes for his resurgence. he really seemed to be working his way into a top-six forward. The Grier-Kennedy-Vanek line was pretty interesting for a while. Can't complain about our place in the standings right now, I just want them to take the next step to further strengthen themselves. This team still needs that 'instant captain' move. No offense to Rivet. I have not thought about Penner much. Having difficulty wrapping my damaged brain around that one. Can't yet picture him in blue and gold. Talk on the Toronto lunch-time hockey shows had Iginla and Phaneuf being bandied about as trade deadline possibilities for struggling Calgary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Talk on the Toronto lunch-time hockey shows had Iginla and Phaneuf being bandied about as trade deadline possibilities for struggling Calgary. As tickled as I would be about either of those guys in Sabres gear, the only guys the Sabres could put up of equal worth would be Miller, Myers or Vanek...and we know Myers and Miller aren't going anywhere...and why would Calgary want Vanek...overpaid, underachieving... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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