PerreaultForever

Saros isn't on the trade block, Hart is.

This is the thing for me. I'm not going to go in to this (as a GM) expecting to "win" the deal necessarily but to make my team much better and leap forward into the playoffs. You need to seize moments when they present themselves and good goalies on the block don't come around every day. The Philly black hole thing is true. Bobrovsky was a star when he left. Hart is much better than his stats. He's young. He fits. He's exactly what we need. Most of all, it's POSSIBLE.

Suggest an alternative maybe instead of just being negative. I created this thread for people to put up concrete ideas of how we could become a winner sooner than later. Suggest some deal(s) of your own for making that happen. But Hart is on the market, Saros is not.

Surgery. Out for the season.

Something similar to the Chychrun deal. Rosen, a first, give them back their 2nd. Two firsts and a second. Something like that. Nothing from the roster so we'd simply get better. I could probably be talked into even more. I've seen Hart play a few times and he can be really good. He's right at that point where he's coming into his prime too.

Imagine a multiverse where we didn't trade Eichel....................

I was calling for the tear down long before it happened. I got scoffed at many times for dumping on Eichel Reinhart and (to a lesser extent) Risto. So yes, I was glad it finally happened and it was the right thing to do. Personally I don't think Jbot was allowed to make moves like that. I think ownership changed their mind when Eichel started bitching. They just had enough of him and gave KA the green light to tear down and start over. So ya, the tank/Eichel draft F'd this team for a decade. We finally look like a hockey team again. KA is at the helm for that so he gets credit, but ultimately I think it's Pegula that changed his mind.

Have you seen any Flyers games? Many nights he's making spectacular saves and is the only guy holding them in there. He's playing behind a horrible defense anchored by Risto.

We are close. Very close. I don't want to keep waiting for the next one though. Not Levi. Not Rosen. Not Kulich or any of the other prospects. I want to win now and I think the opportunities are there if KA has the stones to make it happen. What trades would you make to turn us into a contender in 2023/24? My first suggestion is: Carter Hart. Whatever it takes in terms of prospects and picks.

No. To this point in time those trades have only brought us Tuch and Krebs. The rest remains to be seen. We got Power cause we sucked. Thompson, Cozens, Skinner, Dahlin, Jokiharju, Samuelsson, (maybe) Mitts. All JBot.

Sarcasm aside, maybe they didn't expect the level of development they got (this quickly) and so they expected to have a mediocre at best season and had no expectations for playoffs so they didn't spend draft capital or prospects in getting a goalie now (or additional D) with their sights on 2023-24 (hopefully, and not 24-25). maybe with the development they saw happen they will realize the time is now (23-24) and they will work on fixing this for next year. They have to realize this, don't they???

That's probably true, and holds for most D men. You notice the mistakes more than the good plays. Power and Jokiharju were much better than Dahlin and Bryson. Power's passing and puck movement were very good tonight. Perhaps, with this roster and when Samuelsson is out, they should play Dahlin back on the left side with Jokiharju, Power with Lybushkin and Stillman with Clague, the 3rd pairing getting much less ice time. Yes, I hate Bryson.

There's a bit of an out of the box option in goal that might not be impossible and that's Carter Hart. He's an RFA in 2024 and will be due some big money but there's some talk out of Philly that the Flyers might be willing to deal him for their rebuild as they have big cap issues with all the bad Fletcher signings and might not be able to pay him anyway. They also have Ersson in net who they are high on so maybe they would trade Hart. Picks and prospects for Hart? I'd do it.

idk, he doesn't look like a fit to me. He has to be a LOT more physical to have any real value (given that he clearly lacks speed).

Would you like to revise this after watching the Leafs game?

How many games does he have to play with Bryson?

It's simply satisfying any time we beat the Leafs. Toronto didn't impress me. No way they get past Boston playing like that. ROR absence makes a big difference to what they can and can't do. We were better in a lot of areas. Tuch obviously makes a huge difference to the top line. I don't get why Granato plays Bryson at all though. That pairing was horrible. Matthews goal reminded me of Sabres at their worst from 2 years ago. Bryson ineffective, Dahlin out of position watching the play and Krebs doing his best impersonation of Eichel on the (non) back check. Just garbage hockey. How do you not pick up the late trailer like that? Bad bad hockey. Greenway is either really slow or lazy (or both) as I saw him coast on several plays and he is bringing no physical presence at all. Looks like another big body who plays small and thus a dud. maybe he will improve, but Minnesota obviously gave up on him and he's definitely not showing me the effort Jost brought when we picked him up. Bad trade unless he gets better. What if Anderson was 10 years younger someone asked? Why he'd have signed for more money somewhere else 🙂 Happy game though. Hate the Leafs.

maybe not as bad as last time. No ROR.

This is a decent idea but it won't happen. Last year Seattle had two guys vying for that spot on the roster in Borgen and Lauzon and they chose Borgen moving forward. KA missed an opportunity to grab Lauzon when Nashville gave them a 2nd rounder (which we could have done easily and an earlier one). Not a star by any means but better than Stillman in just about every aspect including fighting. Just another of KA's missed opportunities for D depth but anyway, point is Seattle is really happy with Borgen and has no plans to move him. Soucy MIGHT be available. That's about it for Seattle.

Yes, but Tuch's been a Sabres fan a lot longer than Dahlin. This is actually a pretty good point. I'm not sure it would be wise to give him the C if he's holding out on signing a long term deal. You can promise him the C as part of the negotiation if you want, but it's risky to the whole fragile want to be here culture thing if you give him the C and then he wants out.

I've said this since the moment he got here. I think they will give it to Dahlin though. Cozens will get an A and Tuch might as well. But I would switch the C and A with Dahlin and Tuch myself.

Ideally I want 2. Or at least I'd try for 2. Orlov and Conor Clifton. I think it would be hard to get Orlov. He might even go back to Washington, but I'd make an offer and see. Clifton I know many people will go wtf? but I've watched Boston games for years and Clifton has flown under the radar and no matter who they bring in he ends up staying in their top 6. He's not that big but he's fast enough to play with our style, he hits - a lot - and he's tough. He's due for a raise and I don't think the Bruins can find a way to pay him. It's a Krug type situation and 3-4 million with term and he's a perfect partner for Power as the #4. He's similar to Lybushkin, but better. With any FAs you have to consider the "want to be here" thing and you have to pounce on players at the right moment and overpay them. This is Clifton's payday moment and he's a perfect fit. If they win the cup it's even better as he will have tasted that and be more likely to look out for #1 so to speak and be willing to go to a different team and one not guaranteed to be a winner right away.

You're probably right, and I guess we will see. What you describe above is the Sabres vs. the Bruins. When their current old core is finally gone I guess we will see if we swap places or not.

This is true and another option. I guess I'm just really impatient now cause I could see we were sooooooooo close but inside I knew we would not make it cause we just didn't have enough grit and depth (and good goaltending) and it was all there for the taking. Sure, we have to give up a little of the pipeline and draft capital, but we are solid in that department. Every time we play Tampa it's going to bug me that KA wasn't the one to trade for Jeannot (for example). This off season is a big big moment that can't be missed.

This is kind of what I figured. Nadeau I remember from the draft. idk much about how the Russians play. Are any of these 3 likely to be NHLers? I have no problem with the three pick ups (and you can add Jost in to that as well) and they are a LITTLE tougher with them but not nearly enough yet. We need to start using some of our draft capital for different types of players and not just offensively skilled forwards with good analytics. We need more diversity in the prospect pool and definitely more D men.