PerreaultForever

Treliving wants to turn them into Calgary. Seriously, they are desperate to be "tougher" but they've just swapped out O'Reilly, Acciari, Schenn (who were brought in for that) for Bertuzzi, Reaves, Domi. It makes them a worse team than they were in the playoffs last year and their D is absolute garbage after Reilly and Brodie. They still don't have great goaltending either. They can be beat same way Florida beat them. Just forecheck hard, attack their D and watch the turnovers unfold.

Bertuzzi on a one year deal would have been a great move for us but he may have preferred to go to Toronto anyway.

or are they?

Toronto grabbing all the guys nobody else seems to want (or want to pay). Hope the downsides of these guys rise to the forefront.

I think it probable Adams set the price too high and now the options have dried up. If we really badly wanted to move him out I'm sure somebody like Chicago would have taken him for cheap when they needed contracts to get to the floor.

We could have used Hathaway. I would have (slightly) out bid the deal he got from the Flyers. Unlike Greenway, he brings actual toughness. E-Rod lands in Florida and Reinhart rumored to be traded this summer. If true, go figure.

I wasn't "praising" foolish spending I just said AS A FAN I want my team to use every dollar of their cap space every year. Yzerman has money to burn so he adds temporary assets and then flips them. Ends up with a wealth of draft picks. I can't find the fault in that and don't see why you do.

Not that it matters, but imo you count a GM's years by how many drafts he runs.

My feeling is simple. If the goaltending is what it is now we do not make the playoffs this year UNLESS Levi is a rookie phenom. I doubt he is. I expect at least one stretch, maybe two, where we might think he's a phenom. I expect some very good moments. Maybe some great games but also some inconsistency and possibly even a slump or two. If we add a good goalie to pair with him playoffs are a real possibility and then who knows how far we can go in the future. We're still not built for the playoffs and lack in our defensive game and toughness but with very good goaltending and our potential offense, making the playoffs is possible. Difficult, but possible.

Some of us don't think that. Never have.

My comment assumed a signing.

I don't see how you draw that conclusion from what I said because it's not even close to true. First, I think you underestimate Compher's value. he makes that team significantly better. Some of their other moves are flippable assets or stop gaps. We will see what the final roster looks like come opening day. I don't know how Gibson and Toews get into this so no comment on that.

Fair enough. Tight cap is what all the good teams have to deal with though. Look at all the moves this year for that reason. The two things kind of go hand in hand. You have a hard time competing at the top level if you're not spending at the top level (or even cheating with LTIR). Skinner's money is gone in 4 years. That's enough for 2 solid mid level guys right there. The key to cap management imo is staggered deals so you always have vets heading to free agency as entry level deals end. Then you make your appropriate adjustments based on their play and who you want to keep. It has to be a mix. This is why the huge prospect pool is great but it's a hidden peril too. Too many young guys wanting money at the same time the window becomes a very short one. Something will definitely have to give if all these prospects are actually good.

I don't see Karlsson ending up there but you never know. If I'm the Leafs I look at sending Nylander to San Jose in some complex deal involving some retention, but then again I said they should trade Nylander the FIRST time he held them hostage.

Dahlin gets big money. Power can be handled a few different ways. Not sure we pay him full out right away. We will probably handle him the same way we did Dahlin. Quinn and Peterka have to still earn their level of pay. We will have to see how much Quinn's injury sets him back and how fast Peterka develops (and into what). So no, it doesn't change my point. We have lots of money.

I really don't see the problem. Some of you guys just aren't used to defensive depth. First, Bryson is a non issue. Just don't care. Rochester or picked up on waivers, just don't care. If the D is healthy or the season craps out we flip Johnson at the deadline. maybe Stillman too. Maybe Lybushkin. Jokiharju I look to trade as he might have value. But if we can't that's okay too. Defensive depth is a valuable thing.

If I'm Adams now I'm offering Bertuzzi a big over pay for a 2 year deal. He likely wants term but maybe with no instant offer his agent shifts strategy and goes for the FA when the cap is larger strategy like Orlov did. and I'm STILL offer sheeting Swayman.

It would take more than that for a trade and sign which I think will happen with somebody.

I don't see how our cap is tied up. Everybody says the cap will go up a lot after this year remember. We have low end star contracts for Thompson and Cozens already in place. Samuelsson is locked up at a good number. We have tons of money. You're making an assumption that all (or at least many) of our prospects/rookies will all become stars and need top value money and that just isn't going to happen. Even if a Savoie or Kulich or somebody does earn big bucks that'll just be a shift over with Skinner's money. We DO NOT need to be saving all this cap money people say we need to save.

I would suggest the Orlov signing means Pesce is going to be dealt somewhere.

It's the term that's crazier than the salary. 3 years at his age? Desperate Leafs.

Incorrect but good of you to know what the entire board thinks. As a fan, I want us to be a cap ceiling spending team not a cap floor team. Assets we can use and flip at the deadline, why not? Orlov got 7.75 from Carolina for 2 years. I'd have bid more for 2 years (after which the money goes to Power). But maybe Terry needs a new private jet or yacht instead of a winning team who knows? I still have SLIM hope we trade for Pesce and Helleybuck but it's a remote possibility until it isn't. Otherwise, we haven't done enough. We add Bertuzzi tomorrow or make some other big move I will change my tune.

Never said he was a wizard, but he does pivot quickly and there always seems to be a plan B and a plan C. He seems to have an adaptability and flexibility to the situation that many GMs lack. Most GMs have one singular vision and stick to it regardless of failure. Just look at Dubas. Or Treliving. "Jost fits this team" well yes, he does, a non playoff team. I want a playoff team. We need to be better than last year, not the same. I watched a lot of Seattle last year. Geekie is a better option but of course he likely would sign in Boston over Buffalo anyway. I was just comparing 2 similar contracts for bottom six players. Anyone who sees Jost as an important part of this team has set his bar far too low.

Oh it's a big overpay but it's just money. If we have cap money not spent it only helps Terry. Detroit owner obviously don't care. ANY added asset is still an asset. I'm not convinced Detroit will be any better, but adding assets and then flipping them for picks later? I have no issues with that if I'm a Detroit fan.

Doesn't matter, it's still an overpay for what he brings. Comparatively, Geekie as your 4C at 2 million is better. Jost is an in betweener for me and doesn't fill a bottom end role well imo. But again, it doesn't really matter to me.