Curt

Only if you keep holding it over his head. Seriously, we get it. He was probably over drafted. It doesn’t change the player Quinn is and will be. You really need to say it every single time someone mentions Jack Quinn? You really don’t get tired of repeating it for no apparent reason?

I could see a team that doesn’t get Eichel, going harder after Reinhart, but I’m not sure about the reverse. I think teams are probably into Eichel, or they aren’t. Missing out on Reinhart isn’t going to make them into Eichel.

I’m very surprised that the vote is 50/50 early on.

I don’t use Twitter and have no plans to ever start. I think the % of the population over age, I’ll say 25, who uses Twitter is a lot smaller than you would think. Looked it up: only about 20-25% of people in the US use Twitter.

No. Why would he?

That’s nice and all, but the uncertainty doesn’t stem from his skating. It’s regarding his Covid induced cardiovascular inflammation that caused him to miss a whole season. That would primarily affect his endurance I would think. Without knowing more it’s impossible to say if there really is medical uncertainty regarding this though.

We’ll try not to get into the analytics weeds. Honestly, a majority of the players on the Pitt cup winning teams were acquired by the Shero regime. When Rutherford/Karmanos/and a little later Ventura came on they just tweaked the roster a little. Main moves were: Out: Jussi Jokinen, James Neal, Brandon Sutter, Pascal Dupuis, Matt Niskanen In: Hornqvist, Perron, Kessel, Cullen, Bonino, Haglin, Trevor Daley It’s not really all speed/skill acquisitions. Also, just because the team in Pittsburgh looked a certain way, doesn’t mean that the team in Buffalo will be the same, even with some of the same people in charge. To me, what’s not clear is if Adams is going to go after a bigger, rougher team or a smaller, faster team. He has generally seemed to say that he wants a gritty, skilled, and tenacious/hard working team. I’m not convinced that the team he ends up building will be notably big or small, or offense or defense focused. I don’t think it’s his primary focus. I think he wants good players who have the mindset he is looking for. I don’t really know what to make of Granato yet. Is he always going to lean towards offense, or is that just what he thinks the team needed right away. He is kind of a wild card for me. As long as he is able to keep the young guys developing, I’m not concerned by much else right now. We’ll see. Analytics, For me, I don’t even want to talk about it as a stand alone entity, or have any employees with “Analytics” in their job title. For me it’s just part of scouting. Identify things that you want from your players, then using statistics beyond the basic box score stuff to help identify players who can do what you are looking for. I don’t think you should associate analytics so heavily with a soft, offense first (only?) team. You may be right about Toronto specifically, but they are hardly the only team investing heavily in using “analytics”. Carolina, LA, NJ, Islanders, and now Seattle, all are deep into it, and I’m probably missing several more. It doesn’t inherently lead to one particular style of team. It all depends on what characteristics you are targeting and prioritizing in players. I can understand what you mean now with disconnect between Adams words on character/mentality and the player acquisitions so far. Probably also in large part due to how easily the team seemed to whither and give up last season? Personally, I’m willing to buy that Krueger drove a lot of the player acquisitions last offseason and this offseason is the first time that Adams has actually gotten the green light from ownership to carry out his own in depth plans. From my point of view, the Karmanos and Ventura hires very much align with the type of front office that Adams has said he wants. Now we will have to see if his team follows through and acquires the types of players that Adams has seemed to say he wants. I think over the next 14 months we will get a good read on this. If I can make an admission, at one point I felt that most of your views were very outdated, annoying and sometimes crazy. I’ve come around some. Now I think only a few of your views are outdated, annoying and crazy! 😉

All part of Adams genius plan, obviously.

I don’t even know what that means. Lol Yeah, I was just saying. You’ll pry no Jarvis slander out of me!

Fair I guess, but it’s not just the numbers for me. I see evidence of the numbers reflected in his play. Just to be clear, I think Johnson is very skilled, and I don’t think people who say he is the most skilled guy in the draft are way off base. I just think he’ll need to go through quite a bit of development before those skills play in the NHL.

In part, but Quinn also scored more ES goals than any other draft eligible CHL player.

M Tkachuk- 39 secondary assists out of 107 points, 36% Roughly in the middle between Beniers and Johnson.

I think people said similar things about Mittelstadt. Johnson is pretty fancy with the hands, but I think he has a lot of development ahead of him before he can be a serviceable NHLer. The fact that he played on Beniers wing on a stacked team, and didn’t put up many primary points (a lot of his points were secondary assists where his line mates directly created the scoring chance) is pretty concerning to me. Johnson- 14 of his 27 points were secondary assists, 52% Beniers- 5 of his 24 points were secondary assists, 21% Power- 2 of his 16 points were secondary assists, 12.5% From guys on the same team who mostly player together, this is pretty striking.

I feel like Johnson has a lot of the Mittelstadt type of thing where his hands are quick but he can’t problem solve out on the ice. He defaults to trying to stick handle through the defense even when there is no opening and just loses the puck. Also like Mitts, he has a lot of physical maturing to go through.

Damn that’s so high for Johnson.

If you look at the google document there are several tabs. One appears to be ordered as something of a composite rankings. Another is Scouch’s personal rankings.

That is a ridiculously interesting chart.

I think Zegras has a better chance of being a C than Eklund, but there is a non negligible chance that Zegras ends up on the wing.

I encourage everyone to keep in mind that much of the information floating out there this time of year is false

Your reply leaves me with more questions than answers. What about the hiring of Karmanos and now Ventura is the opposite of what Adams has said? Also, what about Granato (from what we’ve seen so far) is inconsistent with what Adams has said? My main reason for pressing on this a bit is that I have come away with the exact opposite viewpoint regarding Karmanos and Ventura. From day one, Adams has consistently expressed a strong desire to incorporate analytics into the scouting processes. I see these hires as logical, clear steps down that previously expressed path. I’m curious what you are seeing that is so different from what I see.

Yup, I think my meme was for me. I don’t get your joke.

I’m just curious, what are the mixed messages that you have perceived? I thought they’ve been fairly consistent in their messaging.

I’m not outraged exactly, but yeah, that’s how I feel.