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In part, but Quinn also scored more ES goals than any other draft eligible CHL player.

M Tkachuk- 39 secondary assists out of 107 points, 36% Roughly in the middle between Beniers and Johnson.

I think people said similar things about Mittelstadt. Johnson is pretty fancy with the hands, but I think he has a lot of development ahead of him before he can be a serviceable NHLer. The fact that he played on Beniers wing on a stacked team, and didn’t put up many primary points (a lot of his points were secondary assists where his line mates directly created the scoring chance) is pretty concerning to me. Johnson- 14 of his 27 points were secondary assists, 52% Beniers- 5 of his 24 points were secondary assists, 21% Power- 2 of his 16 points were secondary assists, 12.5% From guys on the same team who mostly player together, this is pretty striking.

I feel like Johnson has a lot of the Mittelstadt type of thing where his hands are quick but he can’t problem solve out on the ice. He defaults to trying to stick handle through the defense even when there is no opening and just loses the puck. Also like Mitts, he has a lot of physical maturing to go through.

Damn that’s so high for Johnson.

If you look at the google document there are several tabs. One appears to be ordered as something of a composite rankings. Another is Scouch’s personal rankings.

That is a ridiculously interesting chart.

I think Zegras has a better chance of being a C than Eklund, but there is a non negligible chance that Zegras ends up on the wing.

I encourage everyone to keep in mind that much of the information floating out there this time of year is false

Your reply leaves me with more questions than answers. What about the hiring of Karmanos and now Ventura is the opposite of what Adams has said? Also, what about Granato (from what we’ve seen so far) is inconsistent with what Adams has said? My main reason for pressing on this a bit is that I have come away with the exact opposite viewpoint regarding Karmanos and Ventura. From day one, Adams has consistently expressed a strong desire to incorporate analytics into the scouting processes. I see these hires as logical, clear steps down that previously expressed path. I’m curious what you are seeing that is so different from what I see.

Yup, I think my meme was for me. I don’t get your joke.

I’m just curious, what are the mixed messages that you have perceived? I thought they’ve been fairly consistent in their messaging.

I’m not outraged exactly, but yeah, that’s how I feel.

I think you know that when Liger says “projected out to” that he literally means projects according to a statical analysis system. You know, all the fancy charts and stuff!

Is it just me, or does that seem like an extremely poor piece of negotiating by Regier? There was no way for the Sabres to benefit from that deal. Either way, trading up or staying put, the Kings would get the player they preferred, and the Sabres would get the other guy. The Sabres paid a trade up price for no reason.

Not sure if Pronman had him ranked as such, but if he did, it was in the 2018 offseason, a full year after Mitts was drafted and everyone went bonkers about his excellent U-20 tournament performance. Just wanted to clarify that it was not immediately after Mitts being drafted.

My point was only that the fact that the majority rank Power 1st, in no way means that he is actually the best choice, and it’s not outsmarting yourself to have a different opinion. EDIT: you didn’t actually say outsmarting yourself, I was misremembering. You said “don’t try to outsmart the pack”. I disagree, I would like the Sabres to try to outsmart the pack. PS: I know I just disagreed with you like three separate times. Don’t think I’m being cross. We are all good.

I’m sure the Sabres will go with the highest rated player on THEIR board. Lets not pretend that the “consensus“ best prospect always, or even usually, turns out to be the best choice at #1. Seems like roughly half the time, the #1 pick does not end up the best player out of the top-10, and for years we’re there isn’t a slam dunk superstar, like this years draft, it’s much less certain than that. It’s fine to prefer a certain player, but let’s acknowledge that there isn’t just one intelligent option out there. I was asking you because you are the one who assured me that there would be many information leaks from the Sabres organization.

Uh, maybe. Honestly, I think prognosticating about how many future information leaks there will be from the Sabres organization is a bit out of our depth. How would we know how many leaks there will be?

Debating here how much the neck injury affects a trade return is pretty pointless, because we don’t know the current state or prognosis of the neck injury. Somewhat on that note, it’s pretty interesting that there seems to be basically no information about the Eichel injury or trade situations leaking out from the Sabres side. Seems like a pretty tight ship.

A lot of what you just said is wrong. Sam turns 26 before next season, Staal turned 24 the offseason he was traded. Staal was a year away from UFA, just like Reinhart is now, except Staal’s situation was worse because he was already signed to a deal that had one year remaining and ended in UFA. A team at least has a chance to sign Sam long term. EDIT: I see that others have brought it up. Disregard.

Zegras has the upside to be the best offensive player on a good team. Top line C and guy who drives your PP. I don’t know if he will consistently hit 30 goals, but he could pile up the assists. I think Cozens could end up as a better goal scorer and probably a little better defensive player, and he has some interesting leadership qualities, but he isn’t the passer/playmaker/stickhandler that Zegras is. Different players. Who is better will depend on their development. I’d say Zegras might have a little higher upside though because if he really hits his upside he could put up 90 point seasons and I don’t think Cozens has that in him.

I think he can play well on the ice, while simultaneously being a bad influence/distraction off the ice, and also saying F-you, trade me.