Thorny

Canucks fans have been BEGGING to go full rebuild for ages any NHLer for now for NHLer for later deal is going to play the right notes

Yep I really think the evaluation of the assets changes significantly based on the perspective of where you are sitting as a team. Window, like you say, but also practical: it’s like the inverse of the scorched earth tank we did. So often arguments get made that break down, say, one of our old GM’s overall draft records, or history of transactions, and the “hit” rates aren’t even far off the average if at all. But when you completely tear everything down you are having to address so many holes the overall degree of difficulty goes way up. You have to run that perfect, Mahomes in the SB-like second half where you play mistake free ball. It’s also why quantity, hoarding prospect and picks matters so much cause you need all those darts we don’t appreciate how much insulation the great franchises have and how much less that quantity matters

Boeser is such an interesting case. He basically spawned into the league as 50 point guy and has stayed at just about..50 point guy. Good consistency, but I wonder if he ever gets one more later career jump agreed in full w/ your breakdown but reaction upgraded from “like” to “Cup” for obvious, Quinn related reasons

Bloom has 42 points in 40 OHL games since being dealt, playing in the league two years after being drafted, like if Savoie played in the CHL next year he didn’t blossom, he returned to the type of production tantamount to being the bare minimum to retain status as a prospect with a reasonably likely chance, relative to other prospects of his ilk, of developing into a depth NHLer, several years from now Totally fair. It pained me enough I threw in the “even for a guy” bit not named Stacey, no

“Blossomed“ is a massive stretch, even for Bloom

“Development“: 3 x mentioned “Win”: 1 x mentioned fwiw - - - Probably just a product of the target demographic but it’s VERY muted re: expectations in the close to near future

No I actually don’t have any specific names in mind right now tbh Bold stance but, I agree

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I get that but I did say sub 900. If UPL goes on a statistics-altering run, that can assuredly be a mind-changing run, too If all we see is more of the same, instead, I’d be surprised if KA had a different conclusion than me

Sorry I knew you’d respond right away I was just curious as to what you’d say if I typed that

Absolute bullsh*t

He won’t? Or can’t? Are you supposing he won’t look for an addition this summer? If we made the playoffs this year with a couple sub 900 dudes and Legend Craig it wouldn’t change my evaluation that entering into next season with that GT set up would be an exceptionally frivolous play If Levi comes in and is immediately good, to end the year, I might chose to be a biased fan and believe in the magic.

Under 20 contracts don’t count? Didn’t know

As the Sabres get better, and the expectations change, time old cliches that are so because they are often true come back into play for the first time in a decade: a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush even if bloom has a chance to be better, the chance isn’t what is priority, anymore: respectfully I think there’s a bit of forest people are missing here to climb individual trees. The *actuality* of what we are gaining is the play, because we are at a stage where the ends justify the means: specific targets - when you are rebuilding you must win trades, as a rule, by value. When you try to win, you can lose battles to win the war wife don’t call me QuickDraw for nothin

So he gets wrong and I get WRONG 😉

It’s becoming not plausibly believable that a team with playoff aspirations could enter into a season via 2023-24 with the tenders we have in system currently Of course we COULD make it but it’s leaving a ton to chance that would seem a frivolous play based on how ready for prime time much of the rest looks That is to say, failing to address G if in any way it can be addressed would be a very poor value play. We can afford to pay what it takes. The opportunity cost lost is a much greater consideration than asset loss, here, could possibly be

His mom’s got it going on

Exactly! And who was the GM making the call on Hagel? moves and even lack there-of are merely a reflection of aptitude. Botterill didn’t properly evaluate his prospect - it wasn’t that he MOVED a prospect, he picked the wrong guy I already know I’m correct on this cause it lines up with Botterill’s well documented CHL bias again, trades are a Tool. a tool I want Adams wielding because I trust him to select, among other things, the correct prospects ie suspects to move on from, and, notably, when to do so

We’ve moved on from a prospect who ranks higher relatively in his group designation than Stillman does in his? I think? I THINK Bloom would be regarded as a slightly better than average depth prospect? Stillman a below average NHL depth defender? I think it says something. Continually shifting priority

Wouldn’t worry about it the ref usually fishes the puck out after a goal and takes it to the dot

Thank god rah rah ya whatever - yesterday was tough to watch re: kids getting slammed to ice no bueno

I think “hold the fort” is my biggest contention with @JohnCs post and considering it’s his stated opinion I’ll implore him to change it: respectfully, “hold the fort” betrays a mindset that I believe is a misreading of our current state: we are well past “hold the fort” stage: our core is blossoming and will be in bloom (sans josh) next season: it’s time to *maximize the primes* of our key guys, while we still have cheap talent on ELC! Thompson, Skinner, Tuch, Dahlin - the time is now Holding the fort, biding time next season? mistake Huge mistake imo

Our goalies aren’t average!

Bringing Comrie back would be a farce he hasn’t proven anything, in a decade (arguably proof enough) when he DOES play, this season, his numbers are poor if we SERIOUSLY think we “don’t know what we have in him”, next season is assuredly, assuredly not the time to find out, likely to the detriment of our emerging core HELL no. Holding the rest of the roster hostage to “let’s give this beloved boy another chance” would be a massive red X against KA and I’m really quite on the bandwagon if you’ve been reading my content

Shiny new toy nothing more And re UPL: that Anderson has more in significantly fewer starts doesn’t look great on UPL either, especially when the target he’s falling well short of isn’t even our aspiration