TrueBlueGED
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11 minutes ago, Curt said:
True, he will ultimately be judged on results. I just think that he sold ownership on a slow rebuild/culture build/doing it the right way. I think he was guaranteed a certain amount of time.
This thread has a bunch of people complaining about Scandella for Frolik. It’s unreasonable. Scandella was never going to get a better return. He was never going to get a top-6 forward. That’s not a Botterill misstep.
I think it's entirely possible Botterill sold ownership on a slow build...and that sales job does zilch to insulate him from poor results. Darcy Regier sold them on suffering, and then got fired when there was, in fact, suffering. I don't think Botterill is toast, but I absolutely do not believe he's safe with another bad season.
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Just now, Curt said:
I like how you listed examples of trades, included two that Botterill made, said you need a good GM to do it, then said Buffalo probably doesn’t have a good GM. Botterill has one one each side of that ledger. Life is confusing and rarely clear cut.
For sure. Good GMs can make bad trades and bad GMs can make good trades. But looking at the Sabres record under Botterill, I'm comfortable calling him a bad GM ?
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37 minutes ago, LTS said:
Well, I lost my more detailed reply because I went to see all the new replies posted while I was posting.. that'll learn me.
So to sum up:
The pick the Lightning got was in the 2020 or 2021 draft, Ryan Johnson is not part of the conversation. (Vancouver doesn't make the playoffs, the pick slides to 2021).
If I read in another thread, the 2020 draft is pretty deep in talent, so the first round pick has more value.
If the pick was in 2021, the Sabres would be without their 1st round pick. This may impact their ability to control the Seattle expansion draft. For example, a 1st round pick and Okposo allows the Sabres to keep players they could not protect and did not want to lose.
Yes, Miller is a worthwhile acquisition. But, I don't think he comes in the same package Vancouver got to begin with, and the Sabres need that pick more than Vancouver does at the moment.
If there's one lesson NHL GMs should have learned from the Vegas expansion draft, it's that paying the expansion team not to take players isn't a good use of assets. And the last thing in the world the Sabres need is a draft pick in the late teens to 20s. At the rate things are going, Jack will have a broken back by the time that player even sniffs the NHL.
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55 minutes ago, LTS said:
or ever...
But apparently that's possible in the world of the stressed out Sabres fan... ?
Taylor Hall was had for Adam freaking Larsson. We got Skinner for a bag of pucks. St. Louis got O'Reilly for a bag of pucks. Brayden Schenn wasn't prohibitively expensive for St. Louis either. Good to great players get traded every season. Every season. Find the bad GMs and trade with them and/or pounce on buy low opportunities. I'm not asking for a McDavid trade here, and neither is anybody else. Trades for good players are not the white whale, they're common. Just have to have a good GM to get it done, which we probably don't have.
I'd have traded the Mittelstadt pick, I'd have traded the Cozens pick, and I'll happily trade our 1st this June. Jack Eichel is a top-5 forward in the league and in his prime. Skinner is 27. Reinhart is a good player in his prime. Dahlin is cheap. If this isn't the time to pay for current wins instead of possible NHL players 4 years down the line, when is?
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Just now, PromoTheRobot said:
Don't know what people expect Botts to pull out his ass at this point. Not defending the guy. He's lying in the bed he made.
I certainly don't expect anything significant. Not sure anyone does, really. But he's gotta find out a way to salvage the season or there will be (more) pitchforks and torches.
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2 minutes ago, Zamboni said:
Good thing is it will quiet the “do something!” fans...
? no ... it won’t.
The only person who thinks this qualifies as doing something is Darcy Regier.
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Jason Botterill does, in fact, still draw breath. That's all this series of moves means to me.
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2 minutes ago, Thwomp! said:
Cut both of these clowns. Who cares? Send a message.
What message? That complaining will get you sent to a better team?* Botterill would have to disconnect his cell service to avoid calls from the agents for every player on the team.
*relative to the competition, of course. I'm not suggesting the Amerks could beat the Sabres.
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9 minutes ago, Derrico said:
We can focus our attention on the ROR trade all we want. It’s what happened this summer or lack thereof that has sealed his fate. You just cannot piss away another season and without upgrading the forward group that’s what was going to happen. Everyone saw it coming and shocker, that’s how it’s playing out.
The problem isn't just that he failed to upgrade the forward group, it's that he probably legitimately believed that adding Johansson and Vesey did significantly upgrade it.
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56 minutes ago, Pimlach said:
Look. McCabe didn’t like the hit on Eichel so he responded immediately. That is what I want to see from my team. Krueger just said “that is what I want to see from the team”. Do you expect him to look at a replay first? He reacted quickly and stood up for our best player. We even scored another goal on the PK to go up 4-1.
If you want to make up some silly comments about Karma that’s your business. We lost for lots of reasons, like a poor PP, but Karma and fighting is definitely not one of them.
Of course we didn't lose because of karma or the fight. If you think I believe that, then you're taking my post too literally. I'm just saying it'd be karmic justice if we lost because our inept do-nothing GM caused a loss by actually doing something (icing an AHL puncher to make someone like McCabe feel pressured to drop 'em). The notion just amused me, is all.
53 minutes ago, SwampD said:That just sounds like irony to me. Not Karma.?
Fair.
5 minutes ago, SDS said:I don’t follow the rest of the league all that closely. Has there been a trade or three of any significance this season?
Taylor Hall?
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13 minutes ago, SwampD said:
What are you saying here?
I'm saying it'd be utterly hilarious if after all of the clamoring about needing more toughness to win, that a blatantly manufactured display of fake toughness gets celebrated...and ultimately leads to losing a game.
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12 minutes ago, Weave said:
Given the recent past, I think that response needed to happen. That it needed to happen is part of the the problem.
5 minutes ago, Pimlach said:You just lost all credibility with that comment. That fight was about a lot more than that one hit.
4 minutes ago, SwampD said:Yep. The two previous hits that knocked one player out for the season and concussed the other were “clean hits.”
It's meaningless. It's no more necessary or useful than Gaustad fighting Lucic weeks (months? I honestly don't remember the timeline) after the fact. It shows nothing, does nothing, proves nothing.
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1 minute ago, Neo said:
So, Sergexhev turns it around with his fight?
The fight McCabe instigated in response to a clean hit? If that's not Karma, I don't know what is.
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8 minutes ago, Brawndo said:
From 31 Thoughts
16. I think New Jersey is considering some of Buffalo’s available defenders.
McCabe for Zajac (50% retained)? McCabe+ for Palmieri?
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You know the Sabres are in a bad stretch when the signing of a 27 year old AHL fighter with 0 NHL games played generates 5 pages (and counting) of discussion.
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1 hour ago, Brawndo said:
Pegula had his ideas who he wanted off the team during his initial interviews/meetings with Botterill, but he agreed to let Botterill make his own assessment of room and see what happens with a new staff. ROR Name was out there at the 2018 Deadline, but the his cost was astronomical at the time. The TH Incident pissed him off, but the locker room continuing to be a CF along with Lost My Love For the Game was the catalyst for trade the guy before July 1st.
This team would be better off in a proven, more capable GM’s Hands.
My concern is that after Todd McClellan told the Pegulas you have a reputation around the NHL for firing people, that the only replacement willing to take the job will suck just as bad
Rookie GM Brandon Beane seems to be doing okay working with Pegula. I understand everyone's desire to default to experience, but really, just get the right guy.
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15 minutes ago, Brawndo said:
The person I heard this from is close enough to the situation to know where it originated from.
My statement of this is not a defense/defence of Botterill was in regards to other moves, namely his second picks in the past two drafts, along with lack of moves, not the ROR Trade, so can I continue saying that?
Botterill said he wanted to spend his first season (2017-18) evaluating the team to buy some time after he was hired. Pegula had his ideas on what changes he wanted made (ROR and Kane) but agreed to gave Botterill that time. He was listening to offers on ROR as the 2018 Deadline approached, but it would have taken a huge overpay to get him at that time.
Botterill did make the Jokiharju for Nylander Swap as well as the Skinner Trade, so total complete and failure might be a stretch.
The rest however you will not get an argument from me.
And this is the crux of it. Pegula gave Botterill discretion, and Botterill came to the conclusion that O'Reilly should be traded. That's all Thorny and I have been saying...Pegula may have placed the handcuffs on, but the ultimate decision to make the move was Botterill's. Assuming this played out as you described, Botterill could simply have planned to keep O'Reilly.
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1 hour ago, Brawndo said:
Again when your owner tells you to move him off my team before his bonus is due, your options are limited. Convincing him that the drop off from ROR to Lindholm isn’t the GD Cliff that was the drop off from ROR to the crap return that came back was on him though.
ROR pissed off the Pegulas when he allegedly drove into the Tim Horton’s less than a week after becoming the highest paid Sabre in history.
Same thing will Kane, once the Bottoms Up Incident occurred, the Pegulas wanted him gone.
This is not a defense of Botterill’s Other Actions. His inability to further upgrade the forward ranks is very concerning.
If there is a proven GM who wants the job by all means move on from him.
Did this happen in January? Because O'Reilly's name was out there as available in the lead-up to the trade deadline. And if it was the Tim Horton's incident that was the catalyst, it you're telling me Pegula was willing to pay the bonus the next year, but not the year after? The idea that Pegula came down to Botterill during the middle of the season and said "trade that guy before July 1" is pretty weak to me. Especially when you consider Botterill has turned over 80% of the forward roster and brought in a single good player, tied himself to Housley after year 1, and grossly overrated Mitts....I'm just not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that the O'Reilly fiasco is Pegula's brainchild.
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2 hours ago, Brawndo said:
Imagine if Mr I’ll drill another well, had paid the bonus, Elias Lindholm would be the Sabres 2C right now
Or Botterill could have decided that trading a Selke-caliber center was a bad idea and not tried to move him in the first place.
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30 minutes ago, tom webster said:
If they brought this guy up to fight their battles this team is more pathetic then I thought. It would be like naming a newcomer captain, oh wait....,,
Dalton Smith will be JNOT jumping the shark.
Well if you ask plenty of fans this team's biggest issue is lack of grit....
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1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:
I would love to sign him to a multiyear deal tbh, as a 4C he is very capable.
Vesey was worth a shot and I wouldn't mind him in our bottom 6 next year either.
I like Larsson too! My point isn't that every single move Botterill has made is wrong, just that he's very much responsible for our current cap situation. He got us here with this roster through his own choices, so the fact a trade is financially challenging to execute doesn't exactly excuse his performance. If the best my GM can do with $5M is Jimmy Vesey and Jake McCabe, I want a different GM.
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1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:
It is ? I count him only signing Skinner. Don't bring up the Scandella trade because that moved Ennis' contract as well.
Vesey and McCabe are his contracts. He ate Hunwick's salary to get Sheary. Girgensons, Larsson, and Rodrigues are also his contracts. I supported some of those signings, but all that combines to over $11 million in cap space, so let's not pretend he doesn't have a hand in this. He's also been mildly saved by LTIR for Hunwick and Sobotka, because if they weren't there, that'd be another $5.5M on bad hockey players.
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25 minutes ago, Radar said:
I'm giving him this next draft and off season when we shed some money. He now doesn't have space to do much. That's not excusing him but money in has to be matched by money out. Can't see any impact moves this season. Maybe be sel!ers at dead!ine. Off season have to find help because next season may well be his last.
The problem with giving him another offseason is that much of the cap issue is his own fault. If he has another offseason of poor decisions, he isn't only flushing another year down the drain, he's making it harder for his successor to course correct.
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Just now, KC Scouts said:
The 'little speedy guys" are nice if you have 1 or 2 or them not 6 or7. Way too many Euros
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Marco Scandella Traded to Montreal for a 2020 4th Round Pick
in The Aud Club
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Not out of the realm of possibility. All it would take really is for Ullmark to start playing like Hutton.