Mango
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Rochester is trying to make a run.
I am not sure a couple games getting their butt kicked without real life NHL talent and leadership around them is any good. Experience for the sake of experience without the proper structure/support doesn't make a lot of sense. If there was a strong vet presence or a decent group of really quality NHL play then sure bring them up and let them have a go.
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I think kids are coming out of the draft way further into their progression these days and it is causing us to overvalue some of the pieces in the system. I expect one or two more skaters to make the roster, but I don't think they will be ready or make any big impact.
Devon Levi is one of my favorite Sabres in a very very long time, but he still looks jumpy to me. I would like to get somebody else in the back up UPL for 24-25.College (olympic) sports at big time athletic departments are known for being a total meat grinder. They throw everything at these kids. College coaches talk a lot about "development", but if you ask the National Team coaches they will tell you that there is very little development in big college programs. They wish they developed athletes because they don't have the skill needed to compete internationally. It is just survival, and a lot of those kids pick up a ton of bad habits just trying to get by and are burnt out by the time they decide that they want to go to the Olympics/World Championships.
After seeing UPL playing at a 67 game pace this year, Dahlin at 30 minutes, and the rushing of Levi, the "kid line", I am not sure the Sabres are a developmental team. I think they may be a meat grinder. -
Is there an aggressive GM inside of Kevyn Adams? If there is the holidays probably just got a lot weirder at the Adams house. For Kevyn's sake I hope that Don Sweeney used lube.
But seriously I don't need an aggressive GM, I need a good GM.-
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2 hours ago, Thorny said:
Who’s been playing at a 67 game pace, UPL?
Sorry. Yes. Stupid typo.
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12 hours ago, Thorny said:
What they do with the goaltending may yet again be fairly prevalent in deciding the outcome. We did much better with UPL carrying the mail but down the stretch we had to pull up an AHLer to play, because we have no confidence in our backup, and UPL is showing signs of perhaps getting worn down from usage.
Does Levi to play 30-35 next season seem a good bet at this stage of the regime’s drought? Awfully risky
its possible he pulls it off. Or we could be adamant about making the playoffs and look to add a competent back up. Or we could address the roster in other areas in such a notable way so as to make up the difference.
My answer is that playoffs remain imminently achievable. Whether or not we seize that opportunity, I have no idea. The precedent is definitive but the goal is so attainable there’s always a puncher’s chance at least
Since the new year they’re playing UPL at a 67 game pace. No goalie has played more than 67 games in a season since the 2016-17 season.
I don’t think any of this is a developmental process. There isn’t a plan. I don’t think we have a “kid line” because we are developing them live. We’re doing it because the roster stinks.
67 games for UPL isn’t great for him. Levi still looks jumpy, being in blue and gold next year won’t help him shake that any quicker.
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With the new COO hire somebody should ask Adams
" Now that that Pete has joined that staff, based on your 4 years as GM here in Buffalo and the current product on the ice, do you think more or less fans should be showing up to the arena? With somebody directly managing the business side of the team, how much pressure is there from the higher ups to actually field a professional hockey team?" -
44 minutes ago, Believer said:
Makes sense.
I wish somebody would ask Pegula about it.
"Terry, the Bills are near the top of the league in ticket sales and attendance. This community has been showing up in large numbers even through a historical drought. Given the exorbitant cost of the PSL's for the new stadium, the fact that this new stadium is the largest ever public subsidy for any stadium ever, and the fact that you are struggling with general maintenance of the Key Bank Center, is it fair to assume that you are struggling with the business ops and profitability of sports ownership? Otherwise how do you explain putting such a hefty tax on the fanbase that is already providing you with historical subsidies?"-
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1 hour ago, nfreeman said:
I need to see a new coach before I can agree that KA has adopted a take-no-prisoners approach to icing a winning team.
I no longer trust Adams to make any more meaningful roster moves. I don't trust his vision for this team.
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15 minutes ago, Believer said:
Not sure Buffalo is a PSL ready market… Yours is a great example @CallawaySabres… Have to think the Bills did extensive fan data base analysis and are confident PSLs will sell.
Also the PSL's in most stadiums/arenas get you priority access to concerts, soccer, boxing, WWE, monster trucks etc. You increase your value with priority access to other events. The new stadiums PSL gets you 8-12 football games per year. That is it. That's the list.
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12 minutes ago, Pimlach said:
Beane and McDermott were really quite incredible. That very first year they started taking the team apart but they still made the playoffs, breaking a 17 year drought, and sending a message that there are finally competent people running the team in Buffalo. I loved that McD said he owned the drought. He knew he didn't cause it, but he knew he had to own it and therefore anyone who played for him also owned it, and they made it a goal to end it.
Contrast that to the Sabres where has Adams publicly stated that he, and his coaches, and his players, are not responsible for the drought. You see how that is working to inspire his troops.
Kirby, who works in pro sports on the business side, said in another thread that the Bills aren't known for being a well run org on the business side.
I am fully confident that if the Bills are without both Allen and Bean that they will crash and burn just like the Sabres have. Terry may very well go from "the savior" to the least favorite person in Buffalo in the next 10 years.-
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2 minutes ago, Pimlach said:
WOW. Season since 1960. 64 years.
The PSL concept should be illegal.
PSL's should be illegal for any stadium that accepts public funding, aid, or tax breaks. If an owner wants to charge $200k for PSL's, go for it, but they need to forfeit all their public subsidies.
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1 hour ago, Pimlach said:
Careful. The “Terry doesn’t meddle” gang is going to get riled.
pRoVe It. WhEn DiD tErRy sAy "I mEdDlE"?
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3 hours ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:
Janet nip slip?
Don't get teenaged me excited.
Ok, I just thought of the 23-24 Buffalo Sabres. I am all cooled off.
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Do we want to keep the Taylor Swift talk going in this thread? Or should we move on to something a little less combative like Britney Spears mental illness?
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3 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:
Thanks. So you’re talking about Labatt USA?
Correct.
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1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said:
Interesting. Does Labatt not sell much in Canada? Or is your comment above directed only to Labatt USA?
It's funny. Labatt Blue Light is arguably the beer of the online Bills fan community. Brother Bill has made sure of that.
They are two different companies with two different owners entirely.
Labatt USA is owned by FIFCO which is owned by Cerveceria Costa Rica S.A.
Labatt Canada is owned by Inbev/Anheuser-Busch. The sale was forced when InBev merged with AB. They are not brewed in the same place, controlled by the same people, nor share any funding/financials. There are zero meetings between Canadian and US leadership.-
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Anybody notice that Yuengling has been sponsor a bunch of Sabres social media posts lately? Fairly significant since AB is the official beer of the league and Labatt has been the official beer of the Sabres. I would assume that means Labatts spending is down, allowing other private breweries to start taking ad space. Not to mention the Pegula's manage two sports teams, losing one makes it much easier to lose the other.
Labatt isn't doing well. I think they are in serious jeopardy. They basically only sell meaningful volume in WNY. They lost Josh Allen as a sponsor because they actually no-called/no-showed to a meeting. That is how he ended up with Corona. There is not a brand of any size in the country that would no-call/no-show a Josh Allen meeting.
They also laid off 70+ employees in the last few months.
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44 minutes ago, shrader said:
Do they not have an LLC (or whatever the appropriate term is) anymore?
He would actually be the perfect person for the new roof.
Imagine how much the team would save on alcohol costs? Just turn on the tap water...boom wine!
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1 hour ago, Weave said:
No. More. Rookie. COOs. Period.
Nobody wants to come here. So we have to develop our own.
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4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
I think you're giving Jordan too much credit. The GOAT on the court for sure. I'm not sure that translates into business and team ops smarts. Refer to Wayne Gretzky's coaching and team ownership tenure for comparison.
Gretzky was minority owner. Jordan outright bought the team. Jordan is worth 10x Gretzky with prior NBA ownership, a NASCAR team, and responsible for 10%+ of all Nike sales. They are not the same.
I don't think I am conflating on the court vs. off the court at all. Jordan was a bad drafting owner. I am not arguing that.
What I am talking about is Black Jesus as a brand and a printer of money. There isn't another athlete in the American big 4 leagues that has ever been as big or bigger than the league they played in than Michael Jordan. When it comes to everything that happens on the field, ice, court, course etc. Jordan, Brady, Gretzky, Tiger, Serena etc. are all fairly close comparables. When it comes to everything else outside of that Michael Jordan doesn't have any peers. -
6 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:
They could hire Jesus and some of you guys would still have complaints
It isn't exactly a complaint on Pete Guelli. A good portion of it is a complaint about Pegula. The Pegula lead Sabres are literally the worst team run franchise the league has seen. No other team has come from so close to the top and fell so close to the bottom and stayed there for that long. No one. Pegula is a historically bad owner.
And released a statement that he hired somebody to help run parts of the franchise who "turned around" a franchise that was also pretty bad at sports.-
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15 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:
Wow, Terry said that?
The full quote.
Quote“His work in helping turn around the Charlotte Hornets franchise in the NBA was remarkable. He is a proven leader with tremendous skills and experience in the sports business landscape. With the upcoming changes on the way in both team’s venues, we are happy to have Pete to help lead our teams,” said Pegula.
He may be really good at what he does. But also "turning around" a brand that Michael Jordan is in charge of isn't exactly a heavy lift. It gets even lighter when that brands major revenue base is in the backyard of where Jordan grew up and played college basketball.
I don't mean to discredit a local guy. He may very well be really good at what he does. But you can't discount the Jordan effect. MJ also invested a ton of his own money into poor black communities around Charlotte. Worth noting he also owns a NASCAR team there as well. Jordan was and still is heavily entrenched in the community in NC. -
18 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:
People keep bringing this up. I don't think he was involved directly with the basketball operations. He's in charge of the business end of the teams.
I think it is more the optics of the worst owner in NHL history (literally) releasing a statement that he hired somebody who "turned team x around" when they were in fact really bad.
It is also worth noting that Michael Jordan certainly understands marketing and branding. There are likely zero comps in the history of American Sports to somebody like Michael Jordan owning a professional sports team in the backyard he grew up in. In the big 4 sports in the states Michael Jordan likely knows more about the the sports, marketing, and partnerships side of basketball than half the owners in the league.
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18 hours ago, Flashsabre said:
Have the Hornets been terrible on the business side? This guy has nothing to do with on the court results or now on the field and on the ice results. He is strictly business side.
I understand there is the business side which is the man behind the curtain and then there is the product on the field.
It is incredibly tone deaf for Terry to announce a new COO of the Bills and Sabres and verbalize that he "turned the Hornets around".He may or may not be really good at what he does. But fans don't really give a shirt about corporate sponsorships or the profitability of their venders at the arena/stadium. So to release a statement on your letterhead that the guy you hired "turned team x around" when they were really bad his entire tenure is super dumb when you are in the middle of the absolute worst run of ownership that the NHL has ever seen. EVER!
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Do You Think We Make The Playoffs NEXT Year?
in The Aud Club
Posted · Edited by Mango
I think comparing the Sabres to other teams based on age is tough because they aren't just young. A ton of these kids have been playing in the league for 3-5 years. At what point do you draw the line between age and years played? Take Cozens for example, he is 22, that is young. When would one expect him to be a consistent high level NHL Player? 26? But if we say 26 then that means he will have spent 8 years playing in the NHL which is certainly a veteran.
My quick $0.02 is that by constantly throwing these kids in the deep end at a young age and waiting for them to learn how to swim we are actually delaying their development.