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On 9/16/2025 at 1:17 PM, mjd1001 said:
Im surprised it took this many years for tickets, even for a home opener, so be so far behind the rest of the league.
Lets see, at $33 per ticket (I'm assuming no taxes/fees on that?)
If I wanted to go with one other person, wife, kid..whoever. $66. Add in parking (is that up to about $20 now?) Lets assume not much in the way of concessions and certainly no full meals, but maybe one drink and one snack per person. At arena prices that is another $30-$40 for 2 people?
So, for the team that hasn't made the playoffs in a decade-and-a-half, in one of the 'worst' arenas in the league, getting some of the worst seats in the house and having some pretty undesirable food, I might still be looking at $150 per night or more? On a weeknight/worknight/schoolnight? When I could watch it at home for free and if the game is awful tune into the Thursday nigtht NFL game instead?
I'm not a person that goes to games anymore, but even if I was, between the quality of the team, the quality of the Arena/Arena experience, they would have to give me SOMETHING for me to spend any money to support them.
That's fees included. Lol
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12 hours ago, Night Train said:
What site are you viewing these prices ?
Vivid. I was actually just going to check the schedule and ESPN links the ticket prices next to each game.
The opener is actually down to $30.https://www.espn.com/nhl/team/schedule/_/name/buf/seasontype/2
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4 hours ago, Taro T said:
Tix on the resale market are NOT moving. Might be making a lot more weeknight games than expected.
Not sure how much Pegula "saved" by essentially bringing back the entire FO and coaching staff; but uniess they get out of the gate REALLY quickly expect that'll have been a negative NPV decision by the end of October at the latest.
Right, there is no more face value, pricing is dictated by current demand.
This is right around when most tickets are peak-ish pricing. If they're $33 today they'll be near $20 by puck drop.
3 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:It might be related that Bills tix are shockingly (but not surprisingly) more expensive this year. The cheapest ticket for week four against the Saints in the upper bowl is $300. Taking my family to this game blows out my ticket budget for a while.
Dude just wait until 48 hours before. You'll get to $200.
3 hours ago, PASabreFan said:Seems high to be honest. Where is the seat? I'd expect to pay under 20 to sit up top.
I bet it is by the week of.
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I was just curious what the ticket situation was this year. $33 for the home/season opener. Every away game through November is 2-3x more expensive.
That is about as bad as it gets.We have bottom of the barrell attendance these days, and based on prices to start the year it looks like it is about to get a whole lot worse. They better get off to a fast start or the Sabres are primed to have the most contentious fanbase they have ever had.
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On 9/7/2025 at 7:07 PM, Thorny said:
Right - it’s not that the signing will be bad - we need to and will sign him and I will call it the right deal - it’s just the egregious waste of the asset until now. The compare/contrast looks quite ugly
it’s difficult to imagine them maximizing a lesser deal when they couldn’t take advantage of one that was much more advantageous
This cannot be driven home any harder.
For a roster built on vibes, Tuch is the damn holding back all the water. If he doesn't re-sign we are 100% losing Dahlin and Thompson in short order and then there goes our best 3 players by a country mile.-
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30 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
14 years doesn't matter to Tuch. The past 4 do. What happened before he arrived isn't important. As for money, he can get paid almost anywhere. He's going to sign where he is happiest. And I have to believe he has a better sense than any of us of where the Sabres are heading. If after this offseason he's willing to sign a deal, that tells you he thinks we are trending the right way.
If you told me that in a job interview with any seriousness I would decline the offer letter (assuming I could get an offer letter of similar value).
There is no real world applicability to this for anybody's resume is in demand.
It is like Westinghouse telling you to ignore the fact that they have been trash for eternity, knowing full well you could just go make the same money at LG, Samsung, Sony, etc.
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2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:
Adams is being filtered out? The guy who traded for Tuch and will ultimately sign him? Sure, yea, right.
I think the thought is that if Tuch is extending, there has to be some hope and positivity to turn this thing around. Outisde of Terry stepping away or selling the team, Adams being pushed out is the next best thing by a country mile.
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2 hours ago, Pimlach said:
If you want to rebuild on the same spot is that a 3 year job?
Honestly, maybe I'll hate them less if they leave and come back. Unsure if three years is enough time for that.
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Where is Daddy Danny Wegman?
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3 hours ago, Pimlach said:
I have been to enough NHL rinks to say that Buffalo's arena was poorly executed from the very start and it poor maintenance just makes it worse.
Agree with dark, dingy, dusty, really bad sound, no comfort unless you are in the 200's.
I'm older and I want to be comfortable. I won't sit in the 300s, unless you are in the first few rows, you are too far away and everything sucks up there. The irony is I was an Orange seat season ticket holder and loved it up there - chalk that up to youthful exuberance and a good team making the difference. The Oranges overhung the lower bowl and most seats had great sightlines.
Put a good team in there and the place is tolerable. They seem to lose almost every time I go to a home game. I end up paying for me, the wife, and often a bunch of our kids, and I get little enjoyment in that place. I went to that Kings game last year, right after the disappointing Euro series with the Devils. They basically gave the game away in the third period. I haven't been back. Not sure I will go back this year either.
One big positive change from my younger days of going to The Aud, at least now I have more fun being downtown before or after the game than I did in the Aud days.
A problem I see down the road is were would you put a new hockey arena? The arena belongs next to the Harbor Center. How do you build new in that space?
The team sucks, nobody goes. I don't believe the attendance reports. The place looks 25% full for any game not against a Canadian team.
Just move the games to the Harbor Center until the thing is knocked down and rebuilt.
But seriously, maybe play at BCA in Rochester temporarily?
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11 hours ago, sabremike said:
It's the single worst secret on earth that the place is a crumbling and decrepit shithole and it was a very public example of that fact.
And nobody should ever ignore the fact that Pegula has been responsible for the maintenance for 14 years now.
He's a huge part of why the infrastructure sucks.
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15 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:
So the short blunt version would be - D has sucked for years in Buffalo.
They're one of the biggest problems with the Adams era. They perform near the bottom rung but they're amongst the most expensive in the league.
They're a terrible unit and they suck up more resources than like 30 other teams across they league.
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10 hours ago, LTS said:
Can you explain this to me? Is gaslighting being used correctly here?
I think it was purposely misrepresented to casual fans as a 10 year agreement to extend the lease on the arena. They called a full county presence and put on a drone show as if the Sabres committed themselves to Buffalo for 10 years.
They didn't.
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On 8/7/2025 at 12:12 PM, ponokasabre said:
This doesn't change my cynicism around the arena and the weird gaslighting around the naming rights.
Doing absolutely nothing and just letting the lease roll over to year to year, or 5 years, or whatever the agreement says happens without a new proactive lease isn't a commitment from ownership. It's happenstance.
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7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Well, no other NHL team has an expiring lease coming up. Dallas is next in 2030. But what exactly makes this situation unstable? Yes there is a question of who will end up owning the arena, but the arena is not going away. The Sabres have made no threats to leave, not overtly or covertly. So they will keep playing at KBC. Crisis averted.
You are welcome to rewind the clock 30 years and come up with a super stable organization whose having fireworks over a naminf deal on a place nobody wants.
And what makes it unstable?
Well the owner has been bottom of the league in spending the last 5 years.
Our entire staff is a bunch of yes men that ownership keeps doubling down on.
It's the worst run of ownership in the history of the league.
The owner keeps divesting from other sports ventures not named the Buffalo Bills.
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2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Maybe? 🤔
I think you're trying too hard. This is nothing more than a run-of-the-mill corporate image event...more for Key Bank than the Sabres.
No one is pulling a fast one. They said nothing is getting done until the new Bills stadium is done, which is understandable. Besides, the hand-off between county and city needs to be settled first.
I mean, frankly outside of Arizona, I'm not sure that there is less stable "home ice" situation than the Buffalo Sabres.
Pegula also made a big deal about the roof
Nobody wants KBC. The county has noped out. The city says the don't have the money.
Poloncarz implied that the Sabres would continue on as year to year for the time being.
Creating loads of hoopla around a building sponsorship for a building nobody wants to own is about as close as one can get to being a gong show.
I can't think of a comp in recent memory to the Sabres/KBC (including nobody wanting the arena with an expiring lease) across any of the major sports leagues.
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1 hour ago, LTS said:
Did they make a "big deal" out of it? All I heard was they announced there would be a public relations announcement at the arena at a certain date and time. Isn't that how it is supposed to work?
I mean, I get I am not wired into the interwebs, but if they made a "big deal" out of it I certainly missed it.
I think people just want to complain, so go ahead and complain. To me it's just being petty.
They put on a drone show in the sky last night.
It sort of had the fanfare of a Wish NHL hockey club. Which the Sabres are.
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11 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:
I'm trying to wrap my head around this. What exactly is the problem you have with Key Bank signing up for ten more years of naming rights? Isn't the joke, as you put it, more on Key Bank? Obviously they aren't worried.
I don't care what the stadium is named.
What is total BS is the dog and pony show that is clearly Pegula gaslighting the fanbase into thinking "10 more years in Buffalo" by having a named sponsor with a quickly expiring lease for a building nobody really wants.
Maybe I'm wrong. But this seems like a giant nothing burger meant to create vague headlines about "Sabres ink 10 year agreement at KBC". When I. Fact they've done approximately nothing to stabilize the future of this team in Buffalo. (As of late)
This to me is the "new roof" pitch to fans but slimier.
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48 minutes ago, ... said:
They actually do, at least in the near term. You think an entity like Key Bank would commit to something that was day-to-day volatile? No chance. Business is business. There is a plan in place that Key Bank finds acceptable for now.
Pegula had a clause in his renegotiated BCA contract to nope out of the arena. Marrone had a clause to nope out of his Bills contract.
Do you think that Key Bank entered into an iron clad contract with no out for an arena with has no owner or lease holder?
Lol....
I would bet my mortgage that this is about as non-committal an agreement as they get in pro sports.
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10 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
That is when the city and county lease expires. I jut looked this up: The Sabres lease is up at the end of the 26-27 season, but the team has an option to extend 5 years to 2032.
I believe, like BCA in Rochester, they will need to sign a new lease agreement with whoever takes over the arena.
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1 hour ago, ... said:
It just tells you they already know how they're going to handle the arena going forward. It's business.
They actually didn't.
A year to year agreement with the Sabres is not out of the question. A 10 year agreement on naming rights doesn't provide any stability for the org in Buffalo.
In fact, I would argue that making a gigantic deal about the naming rights without releasing any info about long term plans for the actual franchise and/or the building they play in should be a warning sign that the franchise isn't commited to the region at all.
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1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:
I imagine the Sabres and PEG will assume full control of the arena.
The lease between the city and county expired. When does the lease between the Sabres and the arena end?
October 2025
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2 minutes ago, JohnC said:
Is the city now responsible for upgrades and maintenance? What are the owner's responsibilities regarding the arena?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
We have a 10 year named sponsor for an arena whose lease/future is in limbo?
How Sabres-y
If this is true, what an absolute joke.
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1 hour ago, #freejame said:
This has been true much of the last 10 years. That doesn’t mean those people have all been wrong when it’s all said and done.
I'll add to this that sure, the doom and gloom isn't "universally" shared. But that's basically a technicality.
If you asked my 100000 year old grandma about the Sabres she'd talk about what a nice boy Alex Tuch is.
But if you asked 100 people on the street about the Sabres 88 of them would say "they suck".
So sure, there are a couple of "Grandma Mango's" in every group. But it's still "universally agreed upon" that the Sabres suck.
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Alex Tuch contract talks
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If I were Tuch I wouldn't sign here at all.
He is an A+ player who would be a valuable addition to every roster in the NHL. With likely my last ever NHL contract I would be chasing a cup not ending a historically bad playoff draught.