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54 minutes ago, shrader said:
“To keep the same hospital example”… and then offers up a completely different scenario.
You can't keep the janitor because it's not comparable. Like not even a little bit.
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12 minutes ago, shrader said:
It’s like asking a surgeon about what toilet bowl cleaner the janitor is using. It has absolutely nothing to do with his job. Hell, he probably hasn’t actually seen a Sabres broadcast in ages. “Hey Kevin, why is the arena food substandard?”
No it's not.
The negative comments are a 1:1 correlation to how bad a job him and Pegula have done.
To keep the same hospital example it's like adding the Chief Surgeon if he feels responsible for the Chair of the Department firing administrators for releasing the number of people they killed that year in the OR.
Seeing as Kevyn Adams is doing the one killing in the OR, it seems like a totally fine question.
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5 minutes ago, shrader said:
Who is the genius that asked the general manager about a tv producer?
What Sabres employee who does press conferences would you like them to ask?
I'm other orgs it's a dumb question. My issue is the lack of follow up. A single question is "meh".
You have to hammer him about the orgs performance, his performance, and how continuously the offseasons are focusing on the wrong things over and over and over again.
Firing the producer for being critical is a great jump off point.
29 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:Cannot disagree more
Right! Arbitration value?
Homie, you could have just signed him for 2 years x $900k and avoided a QO/arbitration all together.
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Karmanos is having a good day.
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God forbid we fire the guy responsible for nearly half the Sabres draught.
I wish reporters would ask Adams if he feels any sense of responsibility around the draught. The more Pegula engages Adams at a high level in the org the worst the org has gotten.
It's a reasonable question/statement to make publicly at Kevy.
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32 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
I think they mean the broadcasts have been too truthful.
They haven't been truthful enough
Just now, JustOutsideChicago said:Right. Being out of market, I never watch the Sabres feed. It already felt like state media and it looks very cheap.
That's the way I feel about One Bills Live. I'm a STH, it isnt like I'm a casual fan. I take in A LOT of NFL media and OBL is soooo terrible. I almost* never listen.
*I will listen if Cosell is on
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4 minutes ago, dudacek said:
No, I think we’re all out of Latvians now.
I know you're joking, but I was talking about Levi.
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4 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:
Per Alan Pergament at The Buffalo News.
"The Buffalo Sabres are making a key television lineup change next season.
Joe Pinter, who has been producing Sabres’ games since 2002 and has been working for the team for 37 years through when games were carried on WUTV (Channel 29) and WNYO-TV (Channel 49), was told recently that his services are no longer needed.
Pinter declined comment.
His replacement hasn't been named but the job has been posted.
According to sources, some members of Sabres management believe the television coverage has been too critical.
It is a laughable claim since the team has been on a 14-year Stanley Cup playoff drought ... ."
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If this is the kind of business stuff that Pete G. signs off on, he can go get wrecked as well.
Post this one in the "Beane is the most sensitive GM in the NFL" thread on TBD.
I think we have the most sensitive owner, whose lucky to be in a small market. And it makes people who are normally suited for their roles thin skinned.
God I HATE Terrance Pegula.
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1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:
Arturs Silovs is a 24yr old goalie for vancouver in the AHL. He's been meh when called up but was just lights out in the AHL. I would guess they will be moving him at some point. 6'4" Latvian netminder.
Don't we have one of those?
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2 minutes ago, shrader said:
No active negotiations could also mean that the deal is already done.
I read that as past tense originally. As in the never came to the table. My bad.
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35 minutes ago, Brawndo said:
Per Chad DeDominicis there are no active contract negotiations going on with JBD.
I'm curious if this was another "didn't want to be here" situation.
Adams is a bafoon.
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3 hours ago, inkman said:
I’m aware of the booger sugar culture in hockey. It’s prevalent. There are probably a bunch of guys on the team that partake. Young good looking millionaire athletes are going to find an outlet.
Just weed out the guys with a problem (maybe even get them help), and build a team.
I actually think the issue with hockey and uppers is partially the schedule. These guys basically live in hotels for 6 months.
I'm willing to get that if hockey halved their games (not saying in for it) there would be waaaaay less coke.
I don't think the prevalence in the league is so much money related.
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10 hours ago, Taro T said:
And the MLB allows players that aren't going to college to be drafted after completing HS. AKA, as soon as you're 18 or going to be 18 you are eligible to be drafted. That seems extremely similar to one of these other 3 leagues.
The point about the Euro leagues wasn't simply where the kids will develop. It was also about where they'll play. The NHL gets players that are signed to the 2nd level of the Swedish league to get out of their contracts to come to the US. Don't believe that is the case for players in the top league, the SHL. So, if players can't be drafted until 20, they will end up signing and playing in the SHL with no immediate recourse to join the NHL.
Same issue with the KHL. The Sabres can't get the Russian F they drafted ~3 years ago for at least 2 more years.
You can say it isn't and won't be an issue; but it is and has been an issue and if players don't get drafted at 18 but have to wait until 20 it will become more of an issue; not less. And Non-NA players are now about 1/4 of the total NHL players; that has continued to increase through the years. You sure that you're cool with that going back the other way if those players are good enough to be playing in the NHL?
You seem to be more concerned about making the NHL Draft destination TV like it is for the NFL. It isn't destination TV for the MLB and nobody seems to mind. Is there something else that this kid is missing here? If so, please let me know.
I don't care if the draft is destination TV.
I care that unless you are like you or Thorny that you can pick in the top 10 and maybe never ever see that person again.
That's a premium draft slot in other sports
Imagine having to wait 3-5 years to get to know Keon Coleman or Tre White. It would certainly take away from being a fan for both entertainment and hopium.
Maybe the solution is some combination of including the AHL in the Center Ice package (like MLB and F1 do) and first round picks have to play in the AHL.
Access to first round picks should be waaaaaaay easier to keep track of. Part of that is making sure prospects are more NHL ready.
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3 hours ago, Taro T said:
It also needs to clear labor laws in 2 countries.
Personally would prefer to see the draft go back to 20 years old being the norm. But there are more moving parts than you are considering. Hockey, unlike football or basketball, has legitimate well established pro leagues in several other countries. How does raising the drafting age affect the interactions between the NHL and these other leagues? Do Swedes or Russians decide to sign longer contracts than they already do to stay in country at 17 or 18 keeping significantly more players from those countries out of the NHL until they are much older? Does a lack of access to as many young Euros materially affect league plans for expansion? (Personally would see that unforeseen consequence as a win as the league shouldn't expand IMHO; but am quite certain the league and the NHLPA would see that as a loss.)
Does the CHL want to see a change like this, especially if "exceptional 18 & 19 yo's" can still be drafted? Don't their teams get a marketing benefit (in gate driven leagues) by having x # of "future NHLers" on their rosters?
Does it affect ELCs and 2nd contracts, if not in principle but in practice? If it does result in ELCs shortening and 2nd contracts getting larger, with a hard salary cap, could see the union opposing it. If it would result in no effects on ELCs (other than essentially no more contract "slides" as there are no more signed teenagers) but 2nd contracts shrinking, the union might publicly oppose it but privately approve it (as the currently dues paying members end up taking home more pay).
Not sure what you mean by this only matters for "like 1 18 year old per year?" Several kids that are 18 in the fall are ready for and get opportunities to play in the NHL at the end of their Junior/NCAA/Euro seasons and do end up playing at that point. They won't have that opportunity any longer.
The labor laws in two countries applies to the MLB and NHL. The more people pretend the NHL is somehow special and incapable of growth or innovation the further it will fall behind.
The NHL need not concern themselves with the KHL or any other euro league. They're part of major US sports. Let these kids develop there. That's fine. Who cares. The league needs to be concerned with each team putting the best 20 or so players in the world on the ice and making those 20 people as compelling as possible.
If somebody else absorbs that cost for them and makes a couple of bucks for their home nation 80000000 miles away, even better.
But some kid playing for nothing in the OHL where nobody is showing up or watching isn't helping or protecting the league.
It's antiquated.
There were 10 teenagers (18 or 19) at wearing an NHL sweater at league start last year. Zach Benson was one of those and he was an NHL sophomore. The 1 x18 year old is hyperbole, but it's not much at all.
We all know the rarity of a first round pick playing at any point in the NHL. It is weird to get stuck on some mild hyperbole.
The NHL can organize a draft that has more impact players that more fans can follow and relate with. Or they can be stupid.
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3 hours ago, triumph_communes said:
Really like the idea of 18yo can only be drafted with 1st round picks. 19yo with 2nds. 20+ for 3+
Itd really add layers to drafting strategy. With your 2nd are you drafting that young 19yo who will grow into something big, or that 20yo who is a year away from the jump that blossomed in college?
Not really sure on the negatives here? Would it be related to kids being incentivized to sign deals in Europe at a younger age that’d keep talent out of NA? It’d undermine the value of a scouting staff? Let’s be fair, it’s a lot of gambling. Give the 19yo late bloomers more of a chance
My totally uneducated opinion is that more kids rely on the NCAA. Sure some end up in Europe, and some already stay in Europe when drafted.
I think figuring out a way to put a cap floor on the AHL affiliates would be helpful. Maybe bigger roster sizes for both teams as well.
Just my shoot from the hip ideas. I don't know though.
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2 hours ago, Taro T said:
Why is 18 the draft age? Ken Linesman.
Why doesn't it get modified to something such as players can be drafted at age 18 but only in rounds 1 & 2? Because it would have to be negotiated in the CBA (one can't keep adults from freely practicing a legal trade unless a union for workers of that particular skill agrees to it) and neither the players nor the owners want a change like that enough to push it through. Will be at least 5 more years before you see something like that. And wouldn't have any money on it happening then either.
Cool then the irrelavance will continue when compared to other leagues,and teams will let kids with potential waste away in the dumbest most underfunded leagues in the world.
There's like 1 18 year old per year that this matters for. Saying the NHLPA wouldnt be for it is silly. The amount of teenagers in the NHL is next to nothing comparatively. A total of 10 to start the 24-25 season.
It's not that anybody is for it or against it It's that nobody gives a short to change it because they NHL is antiquated.
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43 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:
The league used to have an age ~20 threshold for its draft.
Perreault was in his Year 20 age when the Sabres selected him. (He has a late birthday.)
From a marketing/fan perspective people like story lines. Hell nearly every sports video game has a "create your own player/career" mode.
Imagine downloading NHL25, creating a player, then only being able to play in the OHL where everybody in the game sucks. And then you have to do that for 3 or 4 years before you're even allowed to play with the NHL team.
That's literally the NHL's model in real life. And hockey fans wonder why the league can't catch up to other leagues.
Reframing the rules around the draft is integral. They have to increase the amount of players who can provide an immediate impact.
To me I think that's one of the largest hurdles to make the sport compelling to people.
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2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Probably because teams want to control the development of top prospects.
It doesn't matter. Like after the top 5 picks the draft is a scratch off ticket.
Control, no control, it doesn't matter. The league has no reliable vision.
I'd argue that a big part of the reason the predictibility is that way is because the kids aren't ready to be drafted.
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21 hours ago, mjd1001 said:
If you go back and look at D-men picked from 6-12 overall and see how long they developed:
2015: Provorov (played full season in 2016-2017) and Werenski (Played full season in 2016-17)
2016: Sergachev (played a full season in 2017-18)
2017: No D-men picked in that range (Makar was taken 4th overall)
2018: Quinn Hughes (played full season in 2019-20), Adam Boquist (has yet to play full season), Evan Bouchard (played full season 2021-22), Noah Dobson (played full season 2021-22)
2019: Seider (full season 2021-22), Broberg (full season, almost, last year), Soderstromm (no full season yet)
2020: Drysdale (full season 2021-22)
2021: Edvinsson (full season last year, 2024-25), Clarke (full season 2024-25)
2022: Jiricek (no full season yet), Korchiniski (full season 2023-24), Mintyukov (full season 2023-24), Mateychuk (no full season yet)
I didn't want to look back at the last 2 drafts, it might be early for them yet.
So, it looks like the farther back you go, the more likely a D-man was to play right away. In recent drafts, they seem to take longer.
But of all the D-men listed above: 7 of them played a full season the year after they were drafted. 1 took 2 seasons after their draft year. 4 of them took 3 seasons after their draft year. 5 of them took longer than 3 full seasons or have yet to play a full season for the team that drafted them.
I don't really understand why the NHL doesn't move the draft age up considerably.
It is hard for the average hockey fan to give a short about the full cycle of their team if they can't watch their first round pick for 3 years.
It would make the sport much more compelling with better/more immediate story lines.
It's a violent sport, take a page from the NFL and make it 3 years after HS. Bonus, if let's the NCAA manage a lot more of player development rather than tracking a million guys around a million leagues all over the world.
Somebody might turn on an NCAA game if they know it has all the best young players in the world. There's literally no way for the average person to watch the WHL, OHL, KHL, etc if you don't actively search it out.
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1 minute ago, Indabuff said:
A Lindy thing perhaps?
Lindy has mentioned a few times he likes having guys play on their strong side. Easier to move the puck is the reason he has given.
I don't understand why Kevyn Adams still works here.
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1 hour ago, K-9 said:
KA is always going on about how they always have consensus, yada yada yada. All I know is that Ruff was learning how to build tough, resilient teams when Adams was still a piss pot running around in Clarence. Ruff also understands you build a team from the D end out. And while we may not yet have the answer in goal he would prefer, it’s no coincidence that big RHDmen have been a priority so far this summer.
I mentioned after one of the years draft "Embedded's" that I don't think Adams has control of the room, nor leads it. He reminds of Tom Hanks in 'Big'. He's just trying to fake it.
He's talking about building concencus because he isn't making any decisions. He's loser.
Go back and watch the behind the scenes with McD at the Sabres game. He basically B-lines it to Ruff after sort performatively saying hi to Kev-Kev. Then Ruff and Adams seem to chat together, and Adams like a 3rd grader goes "coach, I've always wondered, how many half time adjustments can you really make".
It was clear that Lindy and McD were the alphas in the room and everybody was aware that Adams was Pegula cuck.
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4 hours ago, JohnC said:
You bring up an interesting question about how much influence does Ruff have in personnel decisions. As you point out with the additions, the Sabres are bigger than they were last year. I’m sure he was a factor on that issue. I also believe that Ruff was instrumental in the trading of Peterka. It appears that the coach/player relationship was fractious.
I’m hoping that Ruff and Jarmo push the GM to make more moves to reshape the roster in order to play a tougher brand of hockey. Some progress has been made in that facet of the game but more needs to be done.
I think Ruff has some voice but Terry refuses to move on from Adams.
Just via the smell test, the last two off-season don't seem to match Adams prior off-season. We haven't done enough but the type of player we target seems to be different. Plus the willingness to move on from Cozens, Savoie, and JJP (despite the request) is something I don't think Adams does without a major push.
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22 minutes ago, Thorny said:
That’s the rub. “Fine” doesn’t jive with what you’d expect and want after 14 missed years and the declaration playoffs were mandate this past year
they are not approaching the roster as if they are desperate to make the playoffs. Does anyone think it looks like they are? Most change on the fridge
It’s a good trade.
That doesn’t mean the impact will be significant. It’s a good trade for a low level asset - there’s a difference
Fair, I guess I'd pair that with my post about local sports coverage being cowards and spineless trolls by not addressing the ramifications of the Peterka trade.
JJP getting traded because he doesn't want to be here, is the encapsulation of total failure by this regime. Both I high level structure and plan as well as failing at nearly every detail along the way.
I cannot believe that Adams was able to make it out of that post draft/trade presser without one reporter framing it as a mascot for the clown car he is captaining.
Pegula has certainly nailed the 'Major League' impersonation. This town has never hated this team more than they do right now.
I cannot wait until Adams sells his house and has to leave in embarrassment.
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Everything this off-season has been "fine". It's almost always "fine" it's just never enough or good.
Kevyn Adams Press Scrum, July 2, 2025
in The Aud Club
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Power will be harder to play against once we invest another 1637494 resources into finding him the right partner....