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Shots fired at the locker room by Lindy.
"The first part of accountability is holding yourself accountable. Did you show up to training camp in shape. Did you do everything you could to make sure you were prepared. The last person to hold somebody accountable is the coach".
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2 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:
People say “how many times did he make the playoffs in Dallas and NJ?” But what was the state of Dallas when he took over and the state of the devils when he took over?” He built both lowly clubs up to get into the playoffs.
You could take prime Scotty Bowman and put him behind the bench of the SJ Sharks the past two years and say “ Well he missed the playoffs the past two years.”
This roster is ready to compete (and Adams better improve it this summer) so it is a different situation Lindy is walking into.
Despite the Appert succession plan rumors I really believe that Adams just hired his new boss. Because if this goes exceedingly well Lindy will still be employed by the org in some senior advisor/POHO role. And if this thing fails, Lindy will be leading the search for a new GM and Adams is out the door.
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1 hour ago, shrader said:
The winning percentage of the modern guys, Lindy included, gets inflated a bit by shoot outs and the newer OT rules.
But anyway, I’m assuming these count tie as a half, but do you know if that’s the case?
I would assume W% is just straight win/loss otherwise it just becomes a weird variation of P%
For reference here is the P% of the same guys plus a few some wanted:
Craig Berube .584
Gerard Gallant .576
Pat Burns .573
Darryl Sutter .570
Al Arbour .564
Jacques Lemaire .563
Dick Irvin .557
Pat Quinn .556
Lindy Ruff .552
Mike Keenan .551
John Tortorella .542
Paul Maurice ..536
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1 hour ago, OverPowerYou said:
If I download the Audacy app just for this will it actually work or will it bring me to some national sports show? The app is nothing but trash
I would be shocked if ti wasn't live on Twitter and FB too.
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2 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
Innocent question: If the Sabres miss the playoffs again next season, does Ruff stay and Adams get fired?
I think the short answer is “it depends”.
The long answer is that if somebody is getting fired it will 100% be Adams first. And Lindy will likely either hire his own GM or move to some POHO or Senior Advisor role.
And if this is successful Lindy likely eventually moves into a POHO or Senior Advisor role and picks his replacement.
I think Adams neutered himself.
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This is a "fine" hire. I am not super excited and not unhappy with it. I think we definitely could have done worse. Outside of actual coaching I like this because I hope it sets the tone for a POH and push Pegula a little further away from hockey meetings. Either everything works great, Adams completes this roster, we are competitors, and Lindy eventually retires in some senior advisor role. OR the roster crashes and burns, Adams is fired and Lindy is moved to President of Hockey Ops and hires a real life NHL GM and runs the org.
Both of scenarios are upgrades to the current.
I will say it for the 100th time, but any hire for HC has to meet the center of a venn diagram between 1. Best candidate 2. Willing to take the job 3. Terry is willing to offer the job. And under that criteria I think Lindy is likely in the top tier of candidates available.
What I am upset about is that there seemed to be no legitimate coaching search. Granato was fired 6 days ago. It feels like Adams didn't even effing try and put together a stack of candidates. Either that or nobody wants to work here. Probably a little bit of both.-
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On 4/18/2024 at 11:32 AM, bob_sauve28 said:
NHL
While the NHL does test for cannabis, there’s no punishment for a positive test. However, if a player tests abnormally high, a player will be looked at for treatment like it’s a health matter.
https://boardroom.tv/cannabis-policies-major-north-american-sports-leagues/
I haven’t looked into for the NHL. But the threshold for a positive test for USATF is literally “Don’t be high at the event”.I would imagine the NHL is similar at this point.
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47 minutes ago, bg17 said:
Can you provide any backup for the Knighthawks claim?
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On 4/19/2024 at 1:58 PM, LGR4GM said:
Notice how I am not at all in the Sabres Sales mongering rumor thread, that's because I think the topic isn't worth discussing. You should follow my lead and stay out of threads you don't care about.
Nothing says "I don't care" like bringing up a conversation you aren't having just to tell everybody it is a topic you don't care about.
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22 hours ago, _Q_ said:
Statement from Pegula said that no other sports teams are up for sale.
In the last 7.5 moths Pegula told Rochester that
- Dissolving PSE would be a change in name only and wouldn't effect the operation of BCA. (August 28,2023)
- Backing out of the lease didn't have anything to do with his commitment to Rochester. Both teams would be staying. (April 2, 2023)
- He is selling the Knighthawks but only because he doesn't want 2 NLL teams so close to each other (April 18, 2024)
Based on that it seems like the Buffalo Sabres are very likely open to hearing offers.-
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Levi's sample size is half of UPL's.
UPL has been the better overall goaltender by some margin this year.-
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It has been clear for some time Terry needs some more cash. I think he is likely over invested in sports and the Harbor Center and doesn't have enough liquidity.
"Nothing to see here I am not selling anything everything is cool. The years of a leaking roof, keeping the scoreboard for 2x the factory recommendations, bottom half spending across the NHL for a few years, and getting out of any major contractual obligations are just happenstance" - Terry Pegula
"I am selling stuff"- Also Terry Pegula-
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Cozens was plagued by gripping to tight and playing soft.
Booing and losing don’t help. But professional athletes gets boo’ed and lose a lot. He’s got to do whatever he needs to to get over that. Incense in the locker room, bang a fat chick, see a psychologist, whatever. But going through that and getting over it is part of the gig.
A lot of really talented athletes in a lot of sports can’t shake the yips often enough. It is certainly a skill.
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I was happy to catch some of the early clips from locker clean out. But man, the more I hear the more I am a little irked.
Basically we’re hearing 2 things. We need somebody to make us work harder and we don’t need any outside leadership to show us how it’s done.
I get one is a coach and one is a player but it’s weird.
Also, often when you coaches get fired guys stand up and say “if I was better coach would still be here”. Not the case here.
Maybe I am just broken from the last 13 years but the more this team talks the last few days and the big picture comes together the more I’m a little weary that this locker room is too entitled. Coach be damned.
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3 hours ago, Thorny said:
I’d wager, even if some aren’t formulating it into those terms, that what’s *really* bothering some is a perceived lack of commitment
remember, the context of this particular convo is Adams seemingly agreeing the locker room was entitled/arrogant, whichever term
I like that you responded to yourself here. Haha.
I think I generally agree here. Worth noting that I believe Adams said something along the lines of "getting cute" as opposed to "grinding it out" or "making it hard on the other team".
The team didn't seem prepared to play starting game 1 in October. They need to be in better shape when they come back to Buffalo later this year.-
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38 minutes ago, dudacek said:
It was my impression Adams had balanced off their smaller scouting staff by redeploying those resources into the analytics and player development staffs.
Is that not the case?
How do they now rank in terms of the amount of bodies in the overall hockey department?
If my memory is correct part of the bloodletting when Kevyn was hired was due to Pegula thinking the hockey department was loaded with people who didn't do much. (A conclusion I think was fuelled by a review done by a pre-GM Adams.)
That fits with when/why they dipped from 4th to 32nd.
That is a lot of data points that I did not collect. Overall the "analytics" people seem to be left some sites team personnel entirely or even rolled into other departments. That maybe includes Buffalo? And we know that every franchise is using analytics so zero is not a reasonable assumption for those websites where it is left off.
But at a quick glance a scout heavy team like Pittsburgh (23) lists 5 people under their "Hockey Research" Department. At a broad view it doesn't seem as though the Sabres are investing in analytics in any way that would counteract their lack of spend on scouts compared to the better funded orgs in the league.
Using Pittsburgh as a high water mark again they have 8 people under player development to the Sabres 4.29 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:Analytics went from 1 to 5 ppl.
I don't know that Buffalo is 5. Could be. I know the Athletic reported Sam Ventura would oversee 2 people. Maybe the people under 'Strategy and Analytics role up to him as well? But that group is under ticketing and marketing and one of those people are the CRM admin which certainly isn't a hockey ops role.Without going back to collect a comparison to all the development, positional, and player analytics/data science roles across the league, it seems the Sabres are a good distance back from some of the top franchises in head count in each of those departments.
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1 minute ago, Cascade Youth said:
Agree with all of that. We didn't hear what, if we're being honest, most of us expected to hear, which was "We were close, it was the injuries and some bad luck, but we were right there and I'm proud of what we were able to accomplish" etc. No, it was a different message - "We've done nothing and it's not good enough." Good for him.
And yet...
He still peppered in some suggestions of bad luck and injuries. And he still didn't really explain why he sat on his hands as the team floundered. Thinking about it, I'm left wondering how much of that was because he backed Granato's asinine contract extension in August and couldn't find a way to go back to Terry mid-season about making big changes without fitting his own head for the noose. And maybe I missed it (I missed the first part of the PC yesterday) but no one asked him why they felt the need to give Granato a new contract last summer.
I also noticed, yesterday and in prior PCs, that when Adams is asked about an internal cap he always responds with some version of "We have enough resources to win." That isn't a denial, it just means to me that he has sold Terry on being able to do more with less. It's a disingenuous answer in my view.
Anyhow, all things considered, I feel better than I did earlier in the week but it still all sucks. None of these developments are good ones. For someone who (yesterday) preaches accountability, I still don't really see what metrics Adams is being held to other than budget.
I was just going through some data points in another forum. Cap friendly is by far the best NHL cap resource, below is the team spending going back to 2015 when they first started. The Sabres have been spending bottom half of the league 7 of the last 9 years that they tracked. Another (not so) fun fact is that the Sabres scouting department is tied for the smallest in the league with Ottawa. The Kings and the Jets don't list their scouts, which is super weird, even if they have less the Sabres are in terrible company with those three teams.
2015: 27th
2016: 24th
2017: 19th
2018: 6th
2019: 4th
2020: 18th
2021: 32nd
2022: 32nd
2023: 31stThe scouting department, roster spend, plus the lack of arena maintenance should be major question marks for any high sought after candidate. There are a lot of data points that point towards lack of institutional support.
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4 hours ago, bg17 said:
Berube fun fact - fewest career points of anyone to play 1000 NHL games.
Great, him and Matt Ellis can fight over coaching the power play. /s
I think Berube is a different class of coach than Bylsma, but there’s something about winning a Stanley Cup as an interim rather than building a Stanley Cup winner that scares me with this roster.
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12 minutes ago, inkman said:
There is nothing more praiseworthy than giving yourself kudos on the internet.
I was using it as a defense for me not being Ter-Bear or Kevyn Adams.
But I am going to hang your free internet point you gave me on another comment on my fridge so you’re not totally off base.
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14 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
Does anyone here really have confidence this Howdy Doody GM of ours can fix this team?
This is amazing. I am only calling Adams Howdy Doody from now on.
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8 minutes ago, Scottysabres said:
Ok, which one of you is Adams Super Secret Sabrespace Squril account? Fess up, because he's parroting what's been said in this arena for years now.
So, Fess up Kyven, which acct is you? We have......"suggestions"....
LG, your up first in line.
4 minutes ago, Mango said:I have been calling out a number of posters as being a Pegula or Adams burner account this year. Not me dude.
...or is that what Terry or Kevyn would want you to think?3 minutes ago, Scottysabres said:I believe PA should opine on this.
Interesting that @Derrico and @Sabres73 are silent during this presser...
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3 minutes ago, Scottysabres said:
Ok, which one of you is Adams Super Secret Sabrespace Squril account? Fess up, because he's parroting what's been said in this arena for years now.
So, Fess up Kyven, which acct is you? We have......"suggestions"....
LG, your up first in line.
I have been calling out a number of posters as being a Pegula or Adams burner account this year. Not me dude.
...or is that what Terry or Kevyn would want you to think?-
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6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
I think we will see a huge bounce back from Dylan with Benson and Quinn on his week.
Based on this pressers focus on effort I am hopeful.
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6 minutes ago, ska-T Chitown said:
he HAS been reading the forum!!!!!
Clearly he has been reading my whining's about Dylan Cozens because he called him out specifically at one point.
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Lindy Ruff, reintroductory press conference 1pm, 4/23/2024
in The Aud Club
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Adams looks rough. Just like...dude, you make a lot of money, get a shirt that fits properly.
The Seinfeld second button episode comes to mind.