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4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
I think you're giving Jordan too much credit. The GOAT on the court for sure. I'm not sure that translates into business and team ops smarts. Refer to Wayne Gretzky's coaching and team ownership tenure for comparison.
Gretzky was minority owner. Jordan outright bought the team. Jordan is worth 10x Gretzky with prior NBA ownership, a NASCAR team, and responsible for 10%+ of all Nike sales. They are not the same.
I don't think I am conflating on the court vs. off the court at all. Jordan was a bad drafting owner. I am not arguing that.
What I am talking about is Black Jesus as a brand and a printer of money. There isn't another athlete in the American big 4 leagues that has ever been as big or bigger than the league they played in than Michael Jordan. When it comes to everything that happens on the field, ice, court, course etc. Jordan, Brady, Gretzky, Tiger, Serena etc. are all fairly close comparables. When it comes to everything else outside of that Michael Jordan doesn't have any peers. -
6 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:
They could hire Jesus and some of you guys would still have complaints
It isn't exactly a complaint on Pete Guelli. A good portion of it is a complaint about Pegula. The Pegula lead Sabres are literally the worst team run franchise the league has seen. No other team has come from so close to the top and fell so close to the bottom and stayed there for that long. No one. Pegula is a historically bad owner.
And released a statement that he hired somebody to help run parts of the franchise who "turned around" a franchise that was also pretty bad at sports.-
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15 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:
Wow, Terry said that?
The full quote.
Quote“His work in helping turn around the Charlotte Hornets franchise in the NBA was remarkable. He is a proven leader with tremendous skills and experience in the sports business landscape. With the upcoming changes on the way in both team’s venues, we are happy to have Pete to help lead our teams,” said Pegula.
He may be really good at what he does. But also "turning around" a brand that Michael Jordan is in charge of isn't exactly a heavy lift. It gets even lighter when that brands major revenue base is in the backyard of where Jordan grew up and played college basketball.
I don't mean to discredit a local guy. He may very well be really good at what he does. But you can't discount the Jordan effect. MJ also invested a ton of his own money into poor black communities around Charlotte. Worth noting he also owns a NASCAR team there as well. Jordan was and still is heavily entrenched in the community in NC. -
18 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:
People keep bringing this up. I don't think he was involved directly with the basketball operations. He's in charge of the business end of the teams.
I think it is more the optics of the worst owner in NHL history (literally) releasing a statement that he hired somebody who "turned team x around" when they were in fact really bad.
It is also worth noting that Michael Jordan certainly understands marketing and branding. There are likely zero comps in the history of American Sports to somebody like Michael Jordan owning a professional sports team in the backyard he grew up in. In the big 4 sports in the states Michael Jordan likely knows more about the the sports, marketing, and partnerships side of basketball than half the owners in the league.
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18 hours ago, Flashsabre said:
Have the Hornets been terrible on the business side? This guy has nothing to do with on the court results or now on the field and on the ice results. He is strictly business side.
I understand there is the business side which is the man behind the curtain and then there is the product on the field.
It is incredibly tone deaf for Terry to announce a new COO of the Bills and Sabres and verbalize that he "turned the Hornets around".He may or may not be really good at what he does. But fans don't really give a shirt about corporate sponsorships or the profitability of their venders at the arena/stadium. So to release a statement on your letterhead that the guy you hired "turned team x around" when they were really bad his entire tenure is super dumb when you are in the middle of the absolute worst run of ownership that the NHL has ever seen. EVER!
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2 minutes ago, Claude Balls said:
Get Levi back to Rochester ASAP. Get him away from this team. Comrie coulda lost this game just as easy and kept Devon away from the stench.
He looks shaky. But he’s also being hung out to dry. The Sabres are lucky this isn’t 6-0.
I don’t mean Levi keeps bailing them out. He has but not as much as luck has played a part.
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6 minutes ago, Believer said:
Shots 24-8… Sabres 1 shot after 11 minutes… Forget the PP… Just play hockey… What is Granato saying to them?
Not to beat a dead horse; but these guys don’t have any idea what they are doing or seeing out there.
“If you watch our games we put in a lot of effort” - Alex Tuch
That was a huge red flag for 2 reasons:
1. WTF are you watching when you guys go over film? Seriously? Does nobody understand what effort is? Do they not understand the film? Are they even watching the right team?
2. This city is so totally unplugged from this franchise that they gave done from 99.7% capacity to like 70% and bottom of the league. The only people booing are the last 800 people who still give a shirt.
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6 minutes ago, Stads said:
Canucks with the only offensive chance on our PP and we take a penalty. Good stuff boys
“If you watch our games we put in a lot of effort” - Alex Tuch, literally
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9 minutes ago, Thorny said:
Maybe. I think social media changes the perception a bit. Same reason we see Taylor compared to someone like MJ. Her music isn’t going to stand the test of time in the same way
That’s fair. But something about if’s and but’s, and my aunt, or whatever also applies.
You could maybe make an argument for domestic following. But I think Swift likely destroys Beyoncé internationally.
It is an interesting point about music standing the test of time. Madonnas music might be a good comp?
The crazy part about Swift is that she just doesn’t have a comp.
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21 minutes ago, Thorny said:
A good question is: Beyoncé vs Taylor at their height. Who’s bigger?
Peak you’d have to say Taylor I THINK
It’s Swift and not really close.
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That was the greatest face off win we never won.
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1 minute ago, Thorny said:
She’s ridiculously popular obviously. Biggest pop star in world. But she’s not bigger than those top football guys worldwide
It took me some time to come around to it but she is more famous than just about everybody in the NFL aside from maybe, MAYBE, one or two players.
She has nations bidding on her exclusive rights. It’s insane.
11 minutes ago, Gatorman0519 said:He shouldn’t be in this game. The coaching staff and management still thinks there is a chance. In doing so they are robbing from the future.
I’ve been big on sending Levi down. But I also don’t thing one or two games here or there will ruin him. But he has to go back down.
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5 minutes ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:
Could you imagine the Beatles or MJ with social me
The internet went wild because Baker Mayfield was messaging women on Snapchat to get blowies behind target. Imagine the trouble Paul McCartney would get in? He might date a woman with two legs. Or no legs.
Theres a chance John Lennon could turn out to be Kanye West.
I like to think Yoko Ono’s weird screaming/screeching/singing exhibits is her lifelong jealousy of Donna Godchaux's “success”. Donna has Europe 72’ and Barton Hall 77’. Yoko is still trying to catch up by becoming the world best “Donna impersonator”
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There’s a weird ebb and flow with the way the league plays the Sabres.
Press and forecheck heavy. Sabres don’t adjust. Opponent wins big.
Then it seems like the league just sort of collectively gradually eases up until the Sabres win a couple or score a bunch.
Then teams start carrying/taking us seriously again. They press and forecheck and we suck again.
The cycle continues until we die.
It doesn’t seem to matter if it’s a good team or bad team. It’s like a secret the whole league is in on except for the guys in our locker room.
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3-4 very very dangerous shots in the last 45 seconds of game clock. This could get out of hand very quickly. Sheesh.
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Jesus these shots on the PP/PK
I’m shocked they didn’t rip two of those right by Levi.
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1 minute ago, pi2000 said:
That's a goal, fire the video guy he's been horrible.
Every bad challenge is preceded by Razor saying “We see Matty Ellis talking to…”.
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When are the Sabres going to name a starting goaltender?
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26 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:
Have the Hornets been terrible on the business side? This guy has nothing to do with on the court results or now on the field and on the ice results. He is strictly business side.
For most fanbases nobody has much of any idea. Good teams get away with a lot. Bad teams get away with a little.
Jordan bought a struggling Bobcats/Hornets franchise for like $300M. They were only like a 4 year old expansion team at that point. He sold the team for $3B like 15 years later. That is a huge increase in value, but the league also nearly tripled their revenues in that time as well.
Jordan was largely considered a bad and meddling owner. But he is North Carolina's golden child and maybe the most marketable person in NBA history, if not the history of the big 4 sports in the US. Without knowing all the specifics in the background Michael Jordan was just about the only person on the planet to get NC to buy back into the NBA. Jordan is to NC Basketball what Gretzky is to Hockey in Canada.
There are some parallels between some of the growth and criticisms between the Pegula lead Sabres and Jordan lead Hornets. Both have been known for meddling, surrounding themselves with 'yes men', and puzzling coaching/FO hires, but also have teams that have exponentially increased in value. So yes, the team is not failing fiscally, but difficult to pinpoint how much of that is from Jordan and the growth of the league as opposed to the COO. Having Michael Jordan own a team in his home state changes things drastically as well. Worth noting his racing team is also located outside of Charlotte and Charlotte is the Nascar hall of fame.
I said it up thread I think that he is largely being brought in to manage and structure the PSL's for the new stadium and poke the Sabres marketing dept to see if they can get the fans to do stuff.-
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20 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Wow, that's some fancy detective work, Sherlock.
He already has Terry convinced.
Quote"His work in helping turn around the Charlotte Hornets franchise in the NBA was remarkable. He is a proven leader with tremendous skills and experience in the sports business landscape. With the upcoming changes on the way in both team's venues, we are happy to have Pete to help lead our teams."
The Hornets have been terrible for the entirety of Jordans ownership. I wonder if Terry thinks that nobody else has google except for him?
I think he is largely being brought in to manage the PSL's for the new stadium and then occasionally poke the Sabres to see if he can get it to do stuff.
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2 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:
I took a quick buzz through the Buffalo News article on the hiring.
The news struck me as encouraging - perhaps very encouraging.
The guy's got substantial experience in pro sports management. He's plugged in on the NFL ownership level. He's coming to the Bills from the Giants, which is a well-regarded NFL franchise.
I honestly don't know much about the guy. Or the role. I am just an idiot with a keyboard on a message board.
But what we do know is that Michael Jordan is notorious for surrounding himself with "yes men". So much so he axed his long time friendship with Charles Barkley for pointing it out.He will fit right in with the Sabres.
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5 minutes ago, Buffalonill said:
So russ brandon 2.0 ? Great
It is strange to have one COO for both orgs AND have Terry sit a top both of them. In my non-billionaire brain it seems to make sense to have a hockey COO and a football COO role into the owner.
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28 minutes ago, SabresBaltimore said:
With all this Taylor Swift talk in the GDT you'd think the Sabres were playing the Chiefs tonight or something...
If we could get a Byram/Swift thing going that would be great. The age thing might be an issue though. Maybe Girgs or Skinner?
Terry could hire her as POHO and finally get out of the way. It would be perfect. She could take up residency at the Key Bank Center. Which, by the way is a venue in huge demand since word got out that they upgraded the roof.Taylor could single handedly save the city of Buffalo.
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12 minutes ago, Doohickie said:
It's actually funny in a way: There are all manner of male singers that aren't the best singers but are great entertainers and the world embraces them. But heaven forbid a female singer may be considered mediocre.
I could name a ton of male singers that are great singers but not very good singers (you know what I mean). No one cares. The music is good, that's all that matters. But one female singer who maybe doesn't sing like a songbird? Throw shade her way!
I agree with you 100%. But I also think her numbers are so astronomically historical the whole thing has become a major talking point.
For reference Elton John had the highest grossing tour of all time at $990M over 330 total shows. Taylor Swift's Era's Tour has grossed over $1B and has only played something like 80 shows to date. Her popularity and revenue is a standard deviation above almost every recording artist in history.
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Sabres and Bills hire new COO
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Nobody wants to come here. So we have to develop our own.