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Byram went to the “Dylan Cozens School for Hickey Fights”.
That was sad.
Surprised the refs let it go so long. They almost never let one sided fights go that long.
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6 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:
Glad Granato had them ready per usual. No worries as this games not all that important anyway.
Glad they’ll bring Granato back next year as things will change
dont call a timeout asshat
The Flyers game sealed this loss. This team always seems to need to get embarrassed to adjust.
Buffalo got away with one against Philly. Way outshot and way too many high danger chances. No business burying 4 on 20 shots or whatever it was.
Anytime that happens it’s like this team thinks that level of play was good enough and then they get punched in the face.
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6 minutes ago, RETURNTOGLORY said:
God this ***** team sucks ass!!!
This team doesn’t miss the playoffs by a point, or a game, or goal.
It is an 82 game season, they’ll miss because of tendencies. It isn’t a league where a bad bounce here or there is an excuse. The sample size is too large.
Every time there is an opportunity to get some positive traction they lose/fall on their face. Happened last year. Happening this year.
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Biz looks like he has the same hair, makeup, and wardrobe person as Razor.
Did he role in in last nights close like 6 minutes before he went on the air?
3 hours ago, Sabres Fan in NS said:MUST WIN !!
GO SABRES !!
AVENGE HASEK !!
SWORDS !!
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Where is the Benny Hill music when you need it?
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It’s weird they both collapse AND leave a Flyer alone on the backside of UPL in the crease.
One would think that having more guys standing around the same spot might mean one Sabre might take the man in front of a wide open net?
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On 10/12/2023 at 6:50 PM, Sabres Fan in NS said:
Game on !!
MUST WIN !!
GO SABRES !!
5 hours ago, Sabres Fan in NS said:Not sure about the TV situation. Not sure if that matters.
JUST BEAT THESE GUYS ANY WAY YOU CAN !!
MUST WIN !!
GO SABRES !!
SWORDS !!
Maybe the most consistent poster on the board. Game 1 vs NYR all the way to game 77 vs the Flyers.Must win, baby!
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5 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:
I agree that is likely and probably make sense. If he is demanding $4.5-$5, and him and his agent don't move off of that, I'm not sure at some point I don't try to make a deal. I think fair value for him is probably $4m or a bit more based on his age, pedigree, and recent peformance, as well as comparables. With this team needing a little stability in goal, I'm just not sure I play hardball over an extra $0.5-1M per year at a position that is so important to this team now and you likely will not mave many other options.
I think that number would be a bit high and he'd take it for sure.
I'm all for slightly overpaying him, and even I think that is high..
I disagree. Adams and Donnie cannot afford to let another Ullmark walk. And frankly neither can the team.
This team is in no place to walk away over a $0.5M -$1.5 AAV difference for a goalie who was close to the very best in the league since January 1.
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5 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:
The Sabres have served their purpose for Terry. The end game is either he sells or, if there's there some nefarious plot by the league, continues to deliberately wreck it to do the NHL's dirty work.
I think Terry really did and maybe even does want to win a Stanley Cup with the Sabres, but I think he is coming to terms with his failures. I won't be mad if he sells, but I won't ever forgive him if he sells the team and it moves.
There are some rumors that Golisano put some language around the teams permanency. I don't know if that is true, but I do know that Terry could certainly prevent it if he wanted to, and if he takes $850M from the people in this community to then moves the Sabres he will be dead to me. -
2 hours ago, Amerks8796 said:
I’m not sure what sucks about this. What did the Pegula’s do running the arena that was noteworthy at all? Good riddance. Has no impact on the Amerks. Hopefully whoever comes in does more.
The arena isn't the story per se. At the very least it is the tip of the iceberg.It is that the local billionaire owner who just received $850M in public subsidy has divested in almost all of his hockey ops, failed to keep up with general maintenance with the KBC, and now pulled out of the 15 year lease he signed just a few years ago.
Now he is either trying to bend Rochester over a barrel after signing an agreement he said wouldn't change just a few months ago or he is prepping to sell his hockey teams.
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I just don't understand how they can roll it back?
The team vs fans is at an all time toxic level. They are quick to boo and the team is quick to chirp back through the media and on the ice.Rolling it back again is likely the most dangerous business decision Pegula and Co. have made since buying the team 13 years ago. More dangerous than the tank. Even a mediocre start is going to create a super tense atmosphere for everybody involved. So what happens then? Fans get worse, players start pushing back, each one-upping each other, driving this franchise further into the ground.
I have to start wondering if there is some "Major League" to it all? No more spending, don't hire competent staff, refuse to replace the worst ones, stop taking care of the KBC, pull out of the lease in Rochester.
I don't know if the team leaves Buffalo or changes ownership, but the only thing Terry is doing well is alienating hockey fans in this region. Under those circumstances selling makes a lot of sense as a next move. -
3 hours ago, Believer said:
And if they go on a tear and manage to win games but fail again to make the playoffs… it would only prove they like to play with their backs against the wall… and it is time to turn around collectively… and move to the corner for the next four months.
I think the opposite. They only win games when there is almost nothing on the line for them.
They aren’t making the playoffs. This team has won 3 games in a row only twice this year. Stringing together wins now is meaningless.
In fact this group the last two years has basically only been able to string wins together at the most meaningless times.
They don’t like playing with their backs against the wall. They loathe it.
5 minutes ago, TheAud said:UPL tonight? Levi on the bench or playing meaningful games in Rochester?
How can they best screw him up some more?
I don’t understand why he is still up with this team and not in Rochester. It is baffling.
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48 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:
Strikes me as, I already have 1 old arena to try and update and fix; I don't want two of them while I also deal with a New and Old Bills Stadium.
He just signed a new lease out to 2033.
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1 hour ago, Porous Five Hole said:
Apparently Pegula’s pride in Rochester has taken a hit.
https://www.wxxinews.org/local-news/2024-04-02/rochesters-blue-cross-arena-seeking-new-operator-after-amerks-owner-opts-out?fbclid=IwAR3fdrInAepxcWDxUM-SlsR4Muh3JbMy_2YaxSWQM87I-Q_0BTkUS9j0hwU_aem_AcCUAMH8chlyRzLeuEpALTJJGt1A6Bl3DZnlf8S10RUXURmnAvHZLLjStp0pLHtpOVsThis sucks.
My take: you can’t make money running an antiquated, million-year-old arena so here’s the keys to everything but the locker rooms.The arena is in desperate need of a dramatic makeover. And while I’m not a billionaire and think differently than billionaires, this sucks. The Rochester partnership won’t effect his overall wealth. Pegula opting out means he’s counting small zeros when his legacy could have made a dramatic difference to ROC.
Pegula pride? LOL nah.
But unlike “sell the team,” Rochester may not be able to afford that. Sigh.
This is really odd. I have argued both that the Sabres will and won’t leave.Terry’s divestment from Rochester, the Sabres, and his lack of upkeep of the KBC keep nagging me that he’d like to sell his hockey teams.
I think the team stays, maybe even under Pegulas ownership, but every-time he pulls back I can’t help but think…
EDIT: Very strange the article is titled and opens with "Owner of..." I don't understand why it doesn't say "Terry Pegula". Also less than a year ago when they dissolved PSE they said "No no, don't worry Rochester nothing will change. We just won't be PSE anymore". Now this.
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52 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
Also the Sabres have the 30th high danger goals for% in the freaking league. They aren't well coached. 41.64% HDGF%
On the flip side, for all the "the defense is better" folks the Sabres are near the worst in the league in xGA and high danger chances against. UPL has saved this team from being bottom 5.
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16 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:
I appreciate the time it took to respond in such length and detail. I'm sorry though, as smartly written as your post is, it's full of conjecture. I suppose what makes you feel the most supported of your opinion is that we are historically bad. I just can't get onboard with you pretending to know that a 73 year old man's entire work history is and that he's never managed people before this. It's absolutely likely that people are misinformed and wrong on a message board, when it's a fact that they couldn't have the information to be credible.
You think Kim Pegula created a toxic work culture?
It's been suggested he has taken professional advice on hires, so the Leino example from 12-13 years ago, eh.
You lost me at meddling. He's the owner and it's perfectly legitimate and reasonable for decisions to be explained to him before they're made.
There's obviously been a change since he bought the team to present. I don't know what it is and neither do you. Except we continue to lose and frustration doesn't begin to explain what this fan base is going through.
I know a bunch of people who work at Labatt and shared an office with PSE. I also know a few of the players in Terry's OG career. Yes, PSE was not a good place to work. That has been documented a bit in the news as well.
It has also been reported that McBeane have worked hard to keep the Bills separate from PSE, which is part of the reason things are different at OBD. It has been speculated that they both also have a no meddling clause in their contracts, something Pegula has refused to do on the hockey side. Worth noting that Pegula's most successful franchise, The Bandits, have a director of lacrosse. A position he will not fill with the Sabres.
Of course any owner is "allowed to meddle", but there have been too many reports of Leino, Skinner, asking Botterill to lay a ton of people off. He is of course welcome to do those things as owners. He also bares the weight of the criticism as well. And when the solution is clear as day, that you need to GTFO of the way and you refuse to do so, you deserve your motives questioned as a leader.
I am unsure what your point is here. Terry Pegula is literally the worst owner in the history of the NHL. This is the worst run any owner in the history of the league has ever had. He inherited the 4th most winning team in league history and has turned it into the worst franchise ever during that time. It isn't really debatable.-
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10 hours ago, TheAud said:
Not to defend Pegula in general… and at some point I think the fans need to hear from him…
‘But if my wife suffered what Kim did and I was faced with the prospect of the person I expected to be there long after I’m gone (my wife is quite a bit younger too, although not as much of a gap as the Pegula’s) basically no longer there with little prospect to ever come back (based on what little we know about her brain injuries), I can tell you I’d have a hard time leaving the house I’d be so distraught.
As a billionaire sports team owner he probably has a higher standard to live up to compared to some internet schmuck like me, but I do believe this factor is a partial explanation for his silence on some things and lack of attendance at games.
I agree with all of this, but it’s also worth noting that in that time he’s named himself president of both orgs, been to nearly every Bills training camp practice, been in town for the ground breaking of the stadium, and still not stood in front of a microphone for 4-5 years.
While I certainly feel for him and Kim it’s tough for me to definitively draw the line. He’s been around and named himself at the top both organizations.
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15 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:
Why is Granato bad? Serious question. The results are bad, but when you dig into the metrics....what I see is a team that has improved its defensive zone coverage from last year. A team that GETS good scoring chances from high danger areas, just converts them at the lowest rate in the league (that has nothing to do with coaching, they are getting the chances, they are in position, they just aren't converting them).
The thing I see keeping this team out of the playoffs more than anything else is simply the players not coverting shot into goals, getting shots in great areas, 2 on ones, breakaways, and just not converting those chances at anywhere near the rate of most other teams. The coaching staff is not perfect, but the guys are in position to score, how is another coaching staff going to make them better shooters?
The xGA, odd man rush, and high danger chance metrics are amongst the worst in the league.
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30 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:
On Rick's night he was very anxious for the crowd to shut up. The crowd wouldn't. He even looked over at Kim who must have said something like, "Just talk, they'll stop." You could easily read his lips. "They won't." I do wonder if getting booed on that night was the last straw for Terry as benevolent owner.
I don't think he even showed up for the memorial service they did for him either. Kim's health issues are a valid reason, but it was odd he was a call in, hold the phone up to the mic, type speaker. Even if he was in the middle of something, it is weird he wasn't plugged into the arena's AV.
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I was at this game and this moment has always stuck with me. Bills fans spent a decade scared and wondering what would happen to the Bills when an aging Ralph Wilson passed.
Terry's first words to a cheering packed house were "OK guys, that's enough". It was a very heavy wet blanket for us in our section.
https://www.buffalobills.com/video/watch-terry-pegula-on-field-ceremony-13989551-
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18 hours ago, PASabreFan said:
I wouldn't go that far. UPL's emergence is huge. They desperately need a new coach and staff at minimum.
That is one way to look at it.
The other is that I think this years goaltending is worth about 10-15 points more than last years goaltending. If you adjust for UPL's emergence this year then that means this team would be picking top 5 without him.
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On 3/31/2024 at 11:07 AM, Cascade Youth said:
3. Preserve Our Lifestyle
[insert picture of yacht]
Always worth mentioning that "taxes" were written right next to "lifestyle".
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15 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:
That's good information and I've read it before, possibly from you or SS.
I just don't see how it gives us much insite as interestingasitis. Would you agree that we know very little about Terry's involvement, thoughts and motives are? We just don't hear much from him.
I get that frustration leads to fans having wild opinions but I stand by my post.
We don't really "know" anybody on the internet, or any professional athletes, or any billionaires at all.
We can certainly make some educated guesses based on local interactions, interviews and decisions regarding the franchise.- We know for a fact that Terry likes to meddle. It has been questioned and defended by Terry across nearly every hockey hire he has made.
- We know he would rather make a decisions himself rather than professional consensus; he literally said owners thought he was crazy for the Ville Leino deal.
- We know that this organization has a toxic work culture. That has been been said since before the pandemic.
- We know the Sabres model is all about economics, efficiency, his family lifestyle and tax breaks. This is a definitive shift from when he bought the team.
Most importantly we know that Terry is really, really, really, really bad at being the owner of an NHL team. Like historically bad. We also know that his greatest successes in business come as an engineer/geologist, not as a people manager. So it isn't crazy to be on an internet message board and attribute bad leadership qualities to somebody who has shown to be.....a historically terrible leader. Some may be more accurate than others, but most are likely not super far off base.
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Shocked this one was sponsored by Bud Light. Such a Buffalo Holiday/Event seems like low hanging fruit for this to be a Labatt Blue event/game/coozie.
Yuengling is also the sponsor for the on screen score.
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GDT: 4/07/24 Buffalo Sabres @ Detroit Red Wings 1 PM, TV: TNT and Radio
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We traded a current top 6C for a potential top 4D.
It is a maddening trade for me, not because of BB. But because based on everything this org preaches about committing to and developing our own talent, Mitts is a slam dunk extension and we traded him for “might be better later”. Just like we keep calling the 2C role Cozens even though Mitts has been much better for 1.5 years.