North Buffalo

I think Nelson makes it, time for young guys to start coming up, also Bailey third line and Nylander poss on Jack's wing, but if Enis ok then Nylander in Rochester till Kane is traded.

Not paying attention to the Bills anymore because I have a legitimate alternative.

Really??? That response surprises me.... Both parties do it, voter surpression, voter id, negative advertising, gerrymandering... Neo you know hx better than that.

. Its ok, it is protected by the Constitution to burn it.

He was, thought he was smarter than everyone else and wouldnt compromise. To an extent he was very smart, just couldnt see the value in compromise even within his own party. Behind the scenes he was a bear to deal with which is why Tip O'Neil got along with Reagan so well.

And there in lies my delemma, the condescension of the liberals v yhe condescension of the right wing v the pure nastiness of trump even when I agree with him. I want freedom of religion just not religion in govt, I want accountability in govt and business and practicality in serving the less fortunate. Less devode between rich and poor is just economics for the county's health. It takes responsible govt, a la virginia with the line item veto and 1 term governor. Maybe make the Presidency 1 6 year term and give it line item veto power. Still gonna be messy as politics always is and there are no best solutions. The framers set ot up that way to limit tyranny of the majority. So again I set my priorities both what I want and what I dont want and decide from there. HRC is gonna win NY thus I am thinking about voting Johnson, because Trump I just dont trust to be loyal to the US and could be the first President accused of treason because of his business relations that play too big apart of his and his staff's decision making. Trump's narcissism and paternalism aside is part of his ceo mentality. Problem is he is not a legislator... he needs too much credit personally. Clinton and Reagan were masterful at using the term we and sharing credit. Obama has been chaotic at best making him tough to swallow. Trump reminds me of Carter... too much an egomaniac for his own good.

See now you were very clear I agree with you wholeheartedly

Its not about caring or not. Its about priorities feeding family first in some cases.

You really dont understand the problem with the above rhetoric combined with following BLM extremists with the term criminal both terms dont clarify a distinction but in fact reinforce a perception of distasteful bias on your part. I suggest you take a remedial English class focusing in clarity of sentence structure and meaning as well as a psych class in self honesty.

And that is your opinion.... Just as voting for Clinton or someone else is complicit with their ideas even if we disagree. Your statement like JJ's is one of absoluting personal attacks... Not one of understanding distinctions. Great for political rhetoric, not so much for intellectual discussion and full of hypocrisy.

Again distorting your own and someone else's statements. I never implied I knew what you meant only that your statement appeared intentionally to imply something quite different than what you back tracked later on. Based on this statement gotta cry foul and question you sincerity if you gonna make a statement like this. Grow a pair and take some responsibilty for your mistatements or acknowledge your onesided bias and stop claiming to be even close to being reasonable.

Not even close, really do I have to do this for you. Sigh... Simple rhetorical clarification. You could have stated that in the minority, there are some extremists in BLM that put others in harms way. I'dhave agreed with you then, there is that element though I believe its in the minority. Putting the term criminal after that term seals that deal even more as to your absolutizing bias... Kinda if I called all folks like you right wing knuckle draggers.... or worse... though a few of you might be and the rest sincere concerned citizens about societal safety and violence... Do a better job of clarifying your distinctions, or not and there are those on this board who will help you.

Oh but you did by your obfuscation linking the two terms BLM and extremists together.... and therefore show how hardened and unreasonable you really are. But you go on pushing that onsided rhetoric as fair and balanced... There is that issue and experimental design attempts to quantify subjective criteria and imply them on the human condition..., Lies, more lies and statistics is overstating it. But stats can be manipulated and leading or biased questions can give you any results you desire.

TY on sched.

That doesnt even pass the smell test, you didnt even come close to parsing that statement, let alone making any kind of distinction. Still nice rhetorical retort... . Really??!!! Again horse pucky...

Again not accurate... and BLM are not extremists.., though some are and should be criticisized, but again lumping or implying motivations of the few on the majority is a major problem of political discourse... though an simplistic effective tool to counter the other side even if innaccurate.

Or claim morality when it is actually some sort of self interest ... or self righteousness.

Ah experimental design rears its ugly head and its innate conservative bias... thought that crap died off nuts... narcissistic slanted inductive reasoning and labeling... their bias show through in that conservatives are sensitive to all six of the so so called labeled types of political thinking, whereas liberals and libertarians only 2 each. Horse pucky..,

Yeh but he asking why both... darn that is annoying. Id send a note to the NHL

. Oof yeh kinda kumbaya stuff there. Nice idea but not part of the political discourse so please refrain from this line of thinking as it offends my political sensibilities...:)

LMao, noice bah... gonna need to use that one.

Or maybe it does and is fair political fodder to say so. Otherwise its not politics.

Sorry, no can do... I am am admitted retired political and by definition a hypocrit. It wouldnt be a political thread otherwise. If you want decorum... go play hockey... Besides it works!

I disagree health in HRCs case and mental stability in Donalds case are big factor to weigh in choosing a Pres.

So I fall into the category of disagreement with you N.... This is a political discussion thread and character assassination has a long torrid hx as an effective tool in American politics including on this board. I can only assume you took something he said way too personally and should think about recusing yourself frommoderating this thread for a while.... Even then, what has been reported as swamp's in indiscretions seems to me moderate compared the current political debate in the US and assuming it character assassination it should be exposed as such... that being said the difficulty in combating character assassination shows what an effective tool it really is. Gain a thicker skin to moderate politics imo.