PASabreFan
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Even though Babcock said he doesn't want to be a GM I bet anything that with Shanny in Toronto they gave Babcock a shot at GM?coach position and he took it.
So four million a year to do each job? Makes sense.
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We didn't get . So you're mad at me. Fine. If it makes you feel better.
I suggest that everyone, myself included, wait for some solid information, if any is to come, which I doubt.
Passions are high.
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In the last 13 months, the #leafs have gutted an entire front office, NHL/AHL coaching staffs, scouting department. Now they build.
Wonder what they build? An outhouse to store all their s#!t in?
Yeah, what they're doing is unconscionable! It'll never work!
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Doesn't move the needle for me--once you triple a coach's salary, quadrupling is just like whatever. I wouldn't have blinked at 10.
Exactly. Money wasn't the issue. People are grasping.
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Sabres aren't willing to pay him $8 mill a year.
Why not?
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Well Disco Dan it is. Either him or Richardson
Dan also won a Cup. Richardson can be Nolan II.
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You're staring at coffee grounds, though.
No matter now many actual legit reasons Babcock will give to explain his decision, you'll be convinced it's because Tim Murray lacks the proper personality.
GO SABRES!!!
I'll listen, but I don't expect the Sabres or Babcock would ever tell tales out of school. Bottom line, Murray had Babcock actually negotiating a contract; money wasn't an object; how they would work together was widely reported as what they were hung up on; Babcock goes to Toronto.
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Welp.
At least Harrington will get his presser now. Right? Or nah?
I bet against the presser.
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And yet you're perfectly comfortable giving GMTM the middle finger seconds after the news broke.
We all have to read the tea leaves.
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I will be interested to hear what the deal-breaker(s)/-maker(s) was/were.
We won't hear, not with any authority. Another one we'll be arguing about for years, each with our own perceived facts.
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Maybe the K-9 scenario came to pass. Pegula just said I'm not getting dicked around by .
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Out. C'est la vie.
Who is next?
That's it?
No need to do an autopsy as to why he wouldn't come?
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Nice job, Tim. Hope his ass gets fired.
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So quiet on the "sources tell me" front. No one wants to talk to the AP? This probably means things are close. For the overly suspicious, it could also mean Babcock and his agent, if he has one, are talking directly to other parties now instead of communicating through the media.
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Your narrative, PA. I just don't think things need to rise to the same level of doubt as you do.
I don't believe for a second that Nolan had ZERO input on player personnel. I don't think he always got his way, though, either. And I believe Nolan was resentful because of that. Indeed, I think Nolan was downright obstinate. I also think Murray had every reason to question Nolan's ability as a coach which caused him to lose confidence in Nolan's ability, including his ability to evaluate personnel.
Lastly, I think you're over thinking Babcock's and Murray's discussion about levels of control over player personnel. I don't see Babcock's request for more control as something to question Murray about at this point. It's one thing for Murray to limit Nolan's involvement and quite another to give Babcock more leeway. Babcock has earned that given his success. Nolan, not so much.
GO SABRES!!!
It's not a narrative, but if it is, it's Murray's narrative if anyone's. He detailed how poor the communication was. It's not a figment of my imagination.
I'm not sure I buy the idea that Murray got into the job, figured Nolan was gone soon anyway, so I might as well not even try to have a good working relationship with my coach in my first GM job. Doesn't make sense. It's more a reflection of Murray's personality, IMHO.
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Hopefully Don Sweeney will come back to haunt his former team!
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You know you can just buy coffee with cash right? You don't have to go down for it.
You're doing it wrong.
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Wouldn't make a huge difference but... more penalty shots!
You could tweak the criteria. Also put the hammer down on the refs to consistently call them.
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I was just trying to answer your post by giving two reasons why I give him a pass. I don't have any desire to debate what I think is a trivial point regarding how Miller was notified. I suspect there's a bit more to it than what you imply here, though. But it suits a narrative, so who am I to stand in the way?
GO SABRES!!!
What narrative? Their relationship was crappy and Murray owned up to his part of the responsibility in the Nolan firing presser. He admitted his hands weren't clean. Hamilton has said many times Nolan had ZERO input on player personnel. That's pretty extraordinary. I have no doubt it's on Babcock's mind. And, no, I don't have a link for that statement.
Why does Tim Murray get a pass? The answer is quite simple actually and his name is John Muckler. When it is documented that as a coach you don't get along with multiple GMs, it is completely natural for the blame to shift more towards Nolan. Sure, it's possible that he's a victim of a series of coincidences, but that definitely looks questionable.
Muckler got fired.
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Defend your point.
Go.
By Go! I mean go! find that YouTube clip.
He gets a pass bc he's hihgly repsected around the league and this year wasn't a season that mattered other than going for a top pick. And because he knew, as did TP, that nolan wouldnt be back.
This is simply not true and has not been reported anywhere.
It's amazing how hard you dig to find an issue with virtually everything that this team does.
Why is Babcock hung up on the issue enough to have to have talks with Murray and delay signing on the dotted line?
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Not a red flag with me at all. I give GMTM a pass based on two reasons:
1.) Nolan is simply not a very good coach from a strategic, game-planning perspective. And he's even more clueless regarding in-game adjustments. I think Murray had every reason to question his coaching acumen after a season and a half + at the wheel.
2.) Nolan's personality and ability to establish and maintain key relationships with those he directly reports to. His previously earned rep of not being able to get along with others in an organization preceded his return to the Sabres and, again, after a year and a half into their relationship, Murray had a lot to go on in that regard.
Murray gets the entire benefit of my doubt for at leas the next few seasons. He's just beginning to make his mark on the franchise and hasn't had enough time to be fully evaluated.
GO SABRES!!!
Murray hadn't been GM two months when he sent down fookin' Battista.
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@fakechzsunglasses Someone, do it!
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Lose Babcock over what exactly.
Also we can't lose something we currently don't have.
Don't be obtuse.
Go!
All about the Babwatch -- Sabres out
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Meh, maybe not my finest hour. We'll see what shakes out. It was written out of disappointment. How many times can we finish second? It's uncanny.