PASabreFan
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I hear the greeting and phone-answering drills are brutal. Some gals end up puking.
There's only person on SabreSpace I trust to get this terrible joke.
Taro...
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I saw your mother wearing a Mark Pysyk jersey.
I saw his sister not wearing one.
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Agree, mjd. This feels like a year to just sit back, relax and be a fan again. It's going to take time. Why stress? And so much crud has been washed away — Lindy, Darcy, Leino, Hodgson, Miller, the shield-licker (forget his name, sorry), Stafford, Battista, Black. I know I'm forgetting some. Vanek maybe? Myers? Our long national nightmare is over. Even Terry is surely spending 80% of his time at One Bills Drive. Reset time. It feels good.
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The whole show built up to this huge battle yet
none of the main characters ACTUALLY died and it was such an easy win. Terrible.
Many have claimed that some Sabre fans, myself included, are so pessimistic that even after a Cup win, they'd bitch. I think that spolier will be my beef with our first Cup.
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That photo, imprinted on a jersey, would have been better than the slug.
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Channel 2 reporting absolutely no settlement talks have taken place.
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As opposed to the wasted tax dollars chasing a conviction that may never come?
I wouldn't consider one dollar spent trying to convict a rapist to be wasted.
"If she doesn't want the rapist to go to jail, maybe she wasn't raped." Yea no victim blaming there, my bad. Shame on me.You realize you just quoted yourself?
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So why say it at all then.
I'm out.
I can't unpack everything wrong here and I have no desire to try.
"If she doesn't want the rapist to go to jail, maybe she wasn't raped." Yea no victim blaming there, my bad. Shame on me.
Just make something up. You're good at that.
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Let's enact a law to make the number of unreported rapes go up, brilliant.
You are boarder line victim blame here. "If she was raped, she would see her rapist in jail, if she won't go that far, maybe she wasn't raped." That's a rephrase of how I read your post. That's a very absolutist view and I disagree.
"Supporting and protecting the victim who has been compelled to testify becomes paramount." Your law does the exact opposite of protecting or supporting a victim. It immediately marginalizes them and makes them scared to come forward. So let's add stress and trauma to what was already stress and trauma.
If you're not going to testify, why come forward? Anyway, I don't envision that the mere reporting of a crime would kick in the requirement to testify.
Another thing to think about is the wasted tax dollars and precious law enforcement resources that are put into these cases, only to have the investigators find out -- whoops -- we don't have a victim anymore.
Channel 4 reporting they have sat down for settlement talks but aren't close.
I might vomit. All I can do is make a Darcy joke. The market isn't set.
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I don't think anything about that distinction, tbh. It's a valid distinction. I was just referring to Blue's use of what "they" can do in terms of a criminal prosecution and civil lawsuit. I don't think "they" is the way to look at it, since the accuser is a free agent (not in the sports sense, but in the metaphysical sense) who can cooperate with or essentially withdraw from the DA's prosecution efforts.
Maybe there oughta be a law. If you go to the police and say so and so raped you, you are compelled to testify. You then have no option of being bought. What's the problem? Why are you making such an allegation if not to see the rapist go to prison?
This law could serve to discourage those who falsely accuse with the intent of going to settlement.
Supporting and protecting the victim who has been compelled to testify becomes paramount.
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Look. No one is saying it's "right." Everyone is telling you the way that it is. If you have an alternative, i.e., an idea to fix the way it is, please, and I am not being condescending, please put it forth, either here, or, maybe more appropriately, in the politics thread.
But this is what we have now. And I don't know that anyone did anything with "one phone call." I would respectfully ask that if you make factual assertions in this thread--or if anyone does--that it is done with backup. Thanks.
I really don't think throwaway phrases with no literal meaning should have to be sourced. But maybe Scott can work on a footnote system for us. Let's make it like homework.
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Never having to think about money for you, your family and your children definitely could go a long way towards creating a better life for yourself going forward. It's just not my business how she wants to deal with healing if what she alleged is true.
When did we lose the ability to think in terms of absolutes? There's objectively a right thing to do here. You tell your rapist to ###### off and you testify. It's awful. But you have an obligation to seek real justice and protect other members of society. An individual's coping and healing have to be subjugated to the larger good. (And, anyway, i don't believe money is the balm that many of you think it is.)
But I think the default sentiment nowadays is do what's best for yourself, "do what feels right for you," take the money and run. Women who have been raped need to have the support they need to get through the trial process. If the issues that guide women to settlement are the stress of testifying and the need for money, then maybe certain accommodations can be made to ease the stress on the accuser in the courtroom. And maybe certain interest groups, in high profile cases like this, can get to the victim first and say, listen, don't take this dirty money, we will pay your medical, legal and counseling bills, we will pay for your education, etc.
Just once, it would be nice to see one of these rich pricks get what they deserve.
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I hope my joke translated!! Inter webs!! Id love to have a beer! This place is crazy cool.
You had to go and ruin your finest hour.
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Good points.
To PA's point: You're essentially advocating a complete tear down of the civil compensatory system for personal injuries resulting from the negligence or malfeasance of others.
A noble goal, mayhaps. But it ain't happening.
I don't think I'm arguing for that. I think I'm arguing for a wall to separate the criminal and civil system. What set me off today was that Kane's lawyer could somehow stop the wheels of justice from grinding with just one phone call. It's so sleazy and unfair. And then you realize the victim might be complicit in it.
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Somebody putting forth that different people cope/heal differently is quite a bit different than suggesting they are downright celebratory about the financial outcome.
I'll repeat my question. What does money have to do with anything here? How does it make anything better? I can think of only a few places that money can rightfully go. Counseling for the victim. Charities that help victims of sexual assault. Yeah, maybe the parents have worked really hard all their lives and now they can finally have a beautiful home, but it's still the beautiful home that your rapist paid for. I honestly don't get it.
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Some people have never heard of the logical extreme.
The actual scenario, if it's playing out as advertised, is so warped and digusting. Yeah, Aud, we should think about the kids. The young women who might be joking today about, hey, Kane's cute, he can rape me for $3 million dollars. The guy who suddenly thinks, hey, I'm not rich, but maybe I'll finally have my way with that girl who won't have sex with me, she's broke and what would it cost me, $500 tops?
A society that allows this has lost its way. I have no idea how to prevent it, however. I should definitely be kinder to victims who take this kind of deal. They must be so traumatized by what happened they are not thinking straight. I am guessing they are also getting terrible advice from people around them. Do the lawyers get a cut? Soon enough, I imagine, a lot of them realize what a bad choice they made.
You don't want to or can't testify? Recant your story and go away. What in the name of God does money have to do with anything? Alternatively, take the money and give it to an appropriate charity.
Panfloss out.
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No wonder you're the only person who ate any.
I chuckled.
I don't think I've had banana and chocolate. Wait, duh. A banana split. But the banana bread is such the perfect combination of flavors, I see no reason to gild the lily.
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Yes, rape victims act like lottery winners if they opt for a settlement. Good lord man :wallbash:
Don't be so naive. Someone already suggested she take a trip around the world, ya know, to feel better about things.
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Then what is your hypothetical trying to prove in the normal realistic situation...? You might as well add aliens.
I liked your point, but go back to it
Maybe I was thinking of the guy who shot the journalists in Virginia. Technology gives these people brand new ways of being a sociopath. I don't think my scenario is that far fetched, not in a country where you can buy your way out of rape. Talk about a rape culture. That's Exhibit A. (And the victim acts like she just won the Powerball.)
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DA can still try to get a grand jury to indict with the video evidence. DA has something to go with, rather than nothing. Moreover, in this increasingly far-fetched fantasy posited by the greatest philosopher of the Holy Roman Empire, the DA might choose to prosecute the women, too.
BTW, I notice that you mentioned that the perpetrator is an industrialist and maybe a bicyclist.
What made you include that part? I ask because in the intervening ten minutes, I learned that there is a bicyclist sexually assaulting women (slapping or grabbing their behinds) in downtown in broad daylight.
We finally found a DA who would put a rape victim on the stand against her will?
Bicyclist was an odd Seinfeld reference. Sorry. I guess I was trying to signal the ludicrousness of the scenario. The principle remains the same. How much are we going to let rich bastards get away with in our society?
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If he streams it live, what do you have that the DA apparently does not have here?
In exchange for the money, the woman signs a statement saying it was all role-playing, just an act for the camera.
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Good to have a reminder that the PA really stands for Pangloss.
Eleven covered the essence of the thing. I'll add this: This is an intersection of public policy and personal liberty. In an alleged crime like this, it's damn near impossible to compel the accuser to do anything (or, at least, anything helpful to the prosecution). If the accuser prefers to resolve the matter outside of the criminal justice system, and speak of it no more, then that's almost certainly the end of it (barring some truly unusual evidence).
Dude, no one gets the reference. Stop.
Here's an unusual scenario! A rich industrialist (and maybe even bicyclist), announces that he will randomly rape one woman a day for a year. He will stream it live using Periscope. After the rape, he will offer the woman $10 million to not press charges. This too will be streamed. Let's say the first 10 woman take the offer. Are you saying there is nothing a civilized society can or should do to stop this atrocity?
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We've gone over this a couple of times in this thread. It's just the way it is. DAs do not force rape accusers to testify.
Maybe here's another way to look at it: The rape really happened, but the victim, for whatever reason (some combination no witnesses, or Kane has hired the best lawyer money can buy, or she can't think of reliving the nightmare on the stand, she thinks Sedita isn't very good, etc.) really thinks the DA won't be able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Shouldn't she be able to obtain some justice as opposed to none?
I don't see how money=justice.
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