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Toronto picked up Cayden Primeau on waivers, so I’m thinking Reimer didn’t stick.

Not seeing any indication Ellis is considered an NHL goalie in waiting, but he’s youngish and has had AHL success. I would think the plan was this: UPL carrying the load in Buffalo, backed up by Lyon. Levi carrying the load in Rochester backed up by Leinonen (or Ratzlaff) Uncertainty over UPL’s health prompted them to sign Georgiev as insurance. Georgiev’s play prompted them to pick up Ellis. I would think both Ellis and Georgiev are on roster survivor: play well or get waived. They may have already decided to waive Georgiev. When UPL is back, one of them will probably back up Levi, the other will be out of a job, probably loaned to another minor league team. Looks to me that Levi in the NHL is a bullet they don’t intend fire until circumstances warrant it.

Or a team with a distinct chance at the playoffs, or at least one that didn't jettison him at the end of preseason, and then let him walk after he was their best goalie.

Unless you consider Terry Pegula as a 'fan'. In his first few years of ownership, to me he was certainly acting more like a typical 'fan' than a rational owner/member of management.

Also, I note that the posters here that are objecting to this deal are from provinces near to Alberta. Well, Manitoba is somewhat near. I guess Saskatchewan is somewhat in the way, but really, when is the last time anyone thought about Saskatchewan?

No reason for debate: the strategy was ass I supported it at the time as a misguided child. Learned a lot from it tbh

That is not the action I meant, and I do not think management takes instructions from fans. But an unfavorable, stupid, and ultimately unproductive action was advocated here by a good majority of posters: the firing of Lindy Ruff, when really, the roster was the problem. The decision did not pay off, obviously, and this isn't the thread in which to debate it.

It also means the coach doesn't really have full input into setting the roster. They have to keep guys they traded for and drafted/paid in their spots. The lack of real competition/opportunity will not help in attracting players to want to come here. But it is what it is and that's the roster. If healthy (big IF) it looks slightly better than last year but as always much depends on young players being better than they were and of course the goaltending which is, as always, marginal at best.

It’s scares me that this was probably Adams’ chief employed strategy, here: “prove to me he CAN’T be another drastic anomaly. See, you can’t.”

Sure, yes instead of Georgiev, but did he want to play here? Who is to say they didnt try? He signed a PTO in Toronto so maybe he wanted the opportunity to play with the team that brought him up

Reimer plays for Toronto now

I mean sid signed at 8.7 one year ago He’s not in his prime but certainly well below market value

I’d imagine Edmonton retreats right back into the igloo if McDavid escapes them - the difference between buffalo and Edmonton is merely the bounce of those balls - - - management didn’t get the idea to tank from the fans come on now. We merely concocted it into a potentially viable strategy, in theory, after the fact for them because putting more thought into their strategies than they do is what we do around here. If the team employed the level of passionate thinking to their strategy dudacek does after the fact, in the first place, we’d instead be benefiting from his explanations for why it DID work

The smarter play would be to just sign Reimer to a one year deal.

I am more confident in a guy who was one of the best goalies in the AHL last year with great numbers then Georgiev who was awful awful awful last year. Plus there is a small chance we could catch lighting in a bottle here. Ellis was is a year older then Levi so right at that key time where goalies catch fire! This could be a sneaky good pick up! And lets face it there is not any options out there other then this, is Hellybuck available? Is Tampa trading Vasilevsky? Is the Islanders trading Sorokin? No! These players dont get moved almost ever! This has a real chance to be an improvement. I know we all like to ***** on KA for everything he does but this is an improvement. Ellis is better then Georgiev right now, full stop. What this also allows is it allows Levi to stay as the starter in Roch, cause if they are done with Georgiev (which I will bet my left nut that they waive him tonight) Then someone needs to back up Lyon and that would have to Levi, and maybe he sits on the bench for too long. This way we bring a goalie that is better then Georgiev but still allows Levi to develop. And maybe we catch lightning in a bottle here. It is more likely that Ellis becomes something then Georgiev suddenly becomes good again. Sorry for ranting, I just do truly think the team is better with this player on it, not substantially, ill be honest. But better, with a chance to be really good.

He's essentially the same age as Binnington was when he was loaned to San Antonio because he was so far down the depth chart they didn't even want him as their primary AHLer and ended up gettting recalled to the parent club and won the SC. Goalies are weird; this is a goalie in St. Louis' system and they are even weirder about goalies than goalies are. And w/ all that said, not expecting much of anything from him except ensuring Georgiev never sees a RS game in Sabre blue and gold (nor Sabre red and black, for that matter 😉 ).

Right. But when he signed that deal, what was its share of the team's total cap? Sheesh. This actually makes me think that there must've been one of those Kahwi Leonard side agreement / no show deals for Brady.

This is almost always the case. A lot of confirmation bias involved

Are you asking 12.5 x3 (including the current year) or 12.5x1 + 20x8? I would take the former *if I were the Oilers.* The Sabres? Different story. The Sabres need to build credibility. The Oilers have been to the Final in the last two seasons, and the semi-finals in three of the last four. The Sabres are a laughingstock right now (mostly because management took a bad decision advanced by posters here about 12-13 years ago) which needs to build cred to attract better players.

For 30 days, yes, St. Louis could claim him from Buffalo and send him down without re-reclearing waivers (presuming Sabres were only team making claim; don't recall ottomh the exact mechanics if more than just Buffalo put in a claim). If he stays on the Sabres for a full month, then St. Louis would be in the same pack as everyone else should Buffalo try to send him to Ra-cha-cha.

Isn’t Ellis a career AHLer? If UPL has to compete to replace him at all we are in trouble

Sure—but that is very unlikely because it is unlikely Ellis would clear waivers when we waive him. He can get re-claimed by the Blues and sent to the AHL (which is what they wanted to do all along). Georgiev wasn’t here until training camp and only signed because of an injury.

Ooooorr, Jacksonville could have Ratzlaff, Leinonen, and Georgiev. 😉

Ellis has to be on the NHL roster now that he was claimed. If we want to send him to the minors he has to go waivers again, and if he clears, then St Louis can claim him back, just like we did with Reimer last year