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Last year a guy kicked one in on us and they determined he didn’t do it intentionally. The NHL is not a serious league.

Just bumping this up. I think we've seen over the last few games exactly what I referred to above, consistent production from Doan. His net-front presence on PP1 appears to be a strong attribute. The difference between his skill there compared to Tuch for instance, it's major. It's the hockey IQ he possesses, which leads to him knowing how to position himself for a tip in, being open for a quick pass down low and quickly taking it to the net, etc. He also has extremely good hands as we saw on display last night. I think his ceiling is quite a bit higher than we all thought. He truly might be a 1st line level talent or at minimum a top 6'er/top PP guy on a good team. At this point, it's simply not a fluke with the consistency of his production game to game and the way he's doing it. He's elite along the boards, net front, passing ability and hockey sense. I'm over the moon for this guy.

I suppose we didn’t respond, did we?

So we hook this talometer up to each player butt and measure talent, then add it up, then divide by 23, is that right? Who gives a $hit about talent? What about size, strength, speed, skating, shot, skills, grit, mental toughness, intelligence, and durability? Talent is a concept compared to these attributes.

1st Goal was Icing 3rd Goal was at minimum likely Goalie Interference based on the ticky tack calls against us this year. Thompson's "1st goal" should of counted based on the goal from the Calgary game where the puck hit a player's glove inadvertently

I think you see relatively "soft" defensemen around the league who improve a lot is where my thoughts on power are. His shot seems to be coming along, i dont think he's ever going to bang the boards and crunch people, but just... move people. Quinn's a weird player. He has a good shot, but he never seems to score good shot goals. He makes good plays sometimes, but they never go in for one reason or another (probably more just this teams ability to finish in general). And then there's like games where he is actively hurting the team on the ice. I don't know that he's "fixed" by a better coach, i just thought that line with him Östlund and rosen was playing well before they broke it up. After typing all this i left the room, and came back and youre right. Quinn can go.

The Calgary redirection of the puck in the net was way more of an intentional play than Tuch’s spinning around while freeing his stick move.

They called a penalty on the play that took out Ellis. They didn't miss that one.

Lindy would have lost the challenge and you know it. Why get worked up? they won. Go argue about the missed icing on the first Edmonton goal if you want a winnable argument. And yes, the rules are different when a goalie is outside the paint with less protection than if he is in the blue paint. Contact is allowed outside the paint unless it is ruled to be intentional, avoidable, or overly forceful - all judgement calls. Just touching a goalie who is in the blue paint is often called interference.

Oiler crashed the crease.

Any news on Ellis?

The badger in the Disney adaptation of Robin Hood.

I think the process as we know it was: Granato fired. After an extensive interview/search, Adams was set to promote Appert to HC. Terry managed to convince Ruff to join as HC. Ruff had to keep the staff because they were under contract and Adams ensured Appert was added to the staff. This would allow Appert to apprentice with one of the winningest coaches in NHL history. The Sabrespace conjecture is that if Adams still has any decision-making power at the end of this season, he'll again do a very thorough set of interviews and then hire Appert as HC. Only a GM with some authority will be able to execute a real search.

In or out of the crease is entirely a judgement call. Lyon still had a leg in the crease. When are you in or out? Remember the goal overturned against Winnipeg (I think) when Benson brushed the goalie? Was that guy fully in the crease at the time? Are you allowed to plow a goalie making a save if he's not in the blue paint? Especially when they called redirecting a puck with the hand a good goal for Calgary.

The Edmonton goal to start the third was icing. That goal should have come off the board. Edmonton shot it into the Sabres end but never got to the red line. It was obvious to all except the linesmen, even the Edmonton announcer saw it. I guess you can’t challenge icing? They also blew an icing call on the Sabres at the end of the 2nd, two Sabres were beating the Edmonton player back and the linesmen blew an early whistle. Toronto blew the hand pass. The puck hits the back of Tuch’s glove while his hand is on the stick - that cannot be a hand pass.

Until we start winning regularly, we won’t get any respect from the Referees. Ruff knows that. He’s just acting out. It has no effect.

There was a two minute minor called on the play. In hindsight, it felt light.

Lindy would have challenged and lost. The Edmonton announcer said Lyon left the blue paint on his own, so no interference. 😂 The NHL makes it up as they go. A puck randomly hits the back of Tuch’s glove before a goal, it must be a hand pass. Winning In OT was fun. 2 points accomplished, Edmonton gets a loser point but they are out of conference so no big deal.

Someone else can queue up the "It's been 84 years".

It's tough because what do you consider... Talent? Raw talent like pure skating speed, size, quickness of release? Those are physical abilities that some equate with talent. If we consider that talent then Dylan Cozens is a top 50 player in the league. Does talent include thinking the game? Hockey IQ? That is a little bit harder to measure. For those who remember the NHL in the '80s, a guy like Dave Andreychuk or Tim Kerr could score 50 goals in a year. They had talent in terms of good hands, but basically they stood in front of the net, took a beating, and were there with good enough hands to knock in a lot of loose pucks. They were big but they really didn't hit, they were slow skaters, not the best stick handlers or passers either. But were they any less 'talented' than someone else Who would score 5 or 10 goals less but skated up the ice as one of the fastest skaters in a league and occasionally put the puck through a defender's legs (Joey Mullen for example?)? In terms of raw skill, they checked a lot less boxes, but in terms of how they played the game, did that matter? Is how well your line mates compliment your play A talent? Is how willing you are to put effort forward at the end of your shift when you're tired a talent? Legitimate question.. The best single example for me that I can't answer this would be Jack Quinn. Just how talented is he? I think he's a pretty bad hockey player, but is it because he's not talented? Is it because his talent was overestimated? Or is he very talented but something else totally is missing?

Why would you say this unless you never want the Sabres to improve?

He got a shoulder to the head while in the crease. Could be concussion. Could be a neck injury. No call, of course, because Buffalo Only with us.

Apparently there's was also an uncalled icing on the final Oilers goal too.

Not over-turning the game tying goal I understand. The league will say something stupid like because he was not in the crease, it the skater’s ice too. It was all the shirt tug tackles that they didn’t call that really fried my ham. Just ridiculous. But hey, don’t be a crap team and you will get those calls.