bottlecap Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 All the articles I'm reading about the upcoming Buf-Car series say how similar these two teams are. Both coaches are towing this line too. But I haven't heard any of these (unable to check the facts?) "reporters" saying that the Sabres are significantly younger than the Canes. The Canes have 13 people on the roster over 30 and the Sabres have 3. Also the Canes payroll is higher and they have significant investments in Doug Weight ($5.7 mil/yr), Rod Brind'Amour ($3.8), Bret Hedican (2.4), Tverdosky ( 2.5) and Recchi (2.2). The Sabres only pay Drury (2.9), Biron (2.1) and Numinen(2) upwards of 2 mil. Also their starting goalie in the regular season, Gerber, got his head handed to him the first two games against the Canadians, and we've stuck with ours. I think Staal (980K) and Miller (500K) will be due a big pay raise. I think that age and conditioning will be a factor here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 All the articles I'm reading about the upcoming Buf-Car series say how similar these two teams are. Both coaches are towing this line too. But I haven't heard any of these (unable to check the facts?) "reporters" saying that the Sabres are significantly younger than the Canes. The Canes have 13 people on the roster over 30 and the Sabres have 3. I think that age and conditioning will be a factor here. Unfortunately though, The Sabres haven't exactly proven themselves very durable, in spite of their youth. I stopped counting injuries to key personnel in mid-April. However, I find it remarkable how this team has fared with key players sidelined repeatedly, basically since November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightrider Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Unfortunately though, The Sabres haven't exactly proven themselves very durable, in spite of their youth. I stopped counting injuries to key personnel in mid-April. However, I find it remarkable how this team has fared with key players sidelined repeatedly, basically since November. I'd say ~1/3 of the injuries are due to blocking pucks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Seats Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 What about Cup experience? How many Cane's on this year's team were on the Cup Team from a few years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 The Canes aren't paying much of that $5.7 million to Weight though. I'm too lazy to do the math, but they only had to pay at most $2 million of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediumishot Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 i think that this teams shows its not all about playoff experiance or cup experiance to win games... they play together with no man being bigger then the next. i love the fact the sabres have no "marquee" players because it keeps everyone humble...id take this TEAM over any one player...with that being said, i think the age factor may play a role if we have an extended series, whcih is very possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Playfair Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Does anyone know who we have signed for next year? My memory tells me we have a lot of restrcited and unrestricted FA, b/c we did not give long term contracts to a lot of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediumishot Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Does anyone know who we have signed for next year? My memory tells me we have a lot of restrcited and unrestricted FA, b/c we did not give long term contracts to a lot of players. Player Name Contract Status % of Payroll Salary ($) Tim Connolly 1 year. 3.68 1,036,900 Ales Kotalik 1 year. 2.97 837,900 Jochen Hecht 3 years, $6 million total 6.74 1,900,000 Taylor Pyatt 1 year. 3.51 989,720 Maxim Afinogenov 1 year. 3.85 1,086,800 J.P. Dumont 1 year. 5.66 1,596,000 Dmitri Kalinin 1 year option. 4.72 1,330,000 Jay McKee 1 year. 5.66 1,596,000 Martin Biron 1 year. 7.54 2,128,000 Adam Mair 1 year left on 3 year deal. 1.60 450,000 Ryan Miller 1 year. 1.78 501,600 Andrew Peters 1 year. 1.60 450,000 Paul Gaustad 1 year. 1.60 450,000 Jason Pominville Signed, 1 yr left on rookie deal. 1.60 450,000 Derek Roy 1 yr left on rookie deal 2.66 750,000 Henrik Tallinder 1 year. 2.10 591,800 Daniel Briere 1 year. 6.87 1,938,000 Thomas Vanek 2 yrs left on rookie deal 3.34 942,400 Rory Fitzpatrick 1 year club option. 1.89 532,000 Chris Drury 3 yrs left on 5 yr deal 10.37 2,926,000 Brian Campbell 1 year. 1.63 459,800 Mike Grier 1 year. 4.84 1,364,400 Teppo Numminen 1 year contract. 7.09 2,000,000 Toni Lydman 1 year left.. 6.74 1,900,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Playfair Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 WAITTTTTTTTTTTT! So we only have Drury Vanek and Hecht signed for next year???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Well yeah but most of those guys can't leave becayse they are RFA ... they will get a raise (another good reason we are at least $12 mil under the cap, lots of raises to give out), but most of them can't go anywhere ... mut McKee CAN leave as a UFA, that might be tough ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Playfair Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 crazy though huh? I agree, many are RFA. But with this showing, those guys can expect some rasises! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 What about Cup experience? How many Cane's on this year's team were on the Cup Team from a few years ago? A quick perusal shows 6 non-injured guys that dressed for most all the playoff games in '02 (Brind'amour, Wesley, Adams, Hedican, Ward, and Wallin). Craig Adams was also on the '02 team but only played in 1 playoff game. Cole was also on the '02 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioSabreFan Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 What is everyone talking about??? No team had previously been to the NEW NHL playoffs before this season.. We're all in the same boat. LETS GO BUFF-A-LO!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 WAITTTTTTTTTTTT! So we only have Drury Vanek and Hecht signed for next year???? I don't remember the exact numbers, but we were in a similar situation before this season. It's not going to be much of a problem, other than the defensemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 All the articles I'm reading about the upcoming Buf-Car series say how similar these two teams are. Both coaches are towing this line too. But I haven't heard any of these (unable to check the facts?) "reporters" saying that the Sabres are significantly younger than the Canes. The Canes have 13 people on the roster over 30 and the Sabres have 3. Also the Canes payroll is higher and they have significant investments in Doug Weight ($5.7 mil/yr), Rod Brind'Amour ($3.8), Bret Hedican (2.4), Tverdosky ( 2.5) and Recchi (2.2). The Sabres only pay Drury (2.9), Biron (2.1) and Numinen(2) upwards of 2 mil. Also their starting goalie in the regular season, Gerber, got his head handed to him the first two games against the Canadians, and we've stuck with ours. I think Staal (980K) and Miller (500K) will be due a big pay raise. I think that age and conditioning will be a factor here. Good Post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Playfair Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 From another message board: Eastern Conference Cap figures going into next year: NJ: $19.925M, 11 Players, this does not include McGillis, who will be in the minors, and does not include what they might have to pay in buyout costs to Mogilny & Malakhov. With buyout costs it is $23.43M NYR: $21.746, 12 players. This does include Ozolinsh, Derek, since it looks like they may not be able to buy him out (or they may not actually want to). But if he is still technically 'injured' as of June 30 they can't buy him out. Flyers: $30.15M, 14 players. This is going to decrease a bit, since Forsberg will be out for half the season. But that's what is currently on the books including Primeau which could go as well if he retires. NYI: $19.381M, 7 players. Good, lord, shouldn't they just buy out Ca$hin??? Pens: $15.6086M, 14 players Sens: $17.4413M, 8 players Habs: $22.903M 10 players Leafs: $24.586, 12 players w/out Belfour option. $29.108M, 13 players w/Belfour option. None of this includes a possible ruling against them in the Nolan case. Sabres: $6.144M, 3 players I like this one, I can't figure out whether it is good or bad for them Bruins: $18.8505, 10 players Florida: $18.6144, 12 players 'Canes: $18.09044M, 11 players TB: $26.1278, 11 players (it is 12 contracts, 11 players, they say they will honor the Andreychuck contract in full so it stays) Atlanta: $27.8397, 11 players. This may be higher, because I'm hearing rumors that they went to the cap limit this year with salary and their bonus clauses (they did have bonus eligible players) took them over...the rule is that if you go over because of the bonuses it gets applied against the next year's cap amount. Caps: $12.0342, 8 players, this does include Kolzig who did sign. - Show quoted text - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 What about Cup experience? How many Cane's on this year's team were on the Cup Team from a few years ago? Here's that roster. As you can see, several leaders from that team -- Francis, O'Neill, Kapanen, Gelinas, Battaglia, Irbe, Barrasso -- are gone. Brind'Amour, Aaron Ward, Wallin, Kevyn Adams, Vasicek, Cole (the last two aren't even playing) are still around. Even their coach (Maurice) is gone. I do know that they have just one guy with a ring and that's Recchi, who earned two in his first two years in the league with Pittsburgh. Yes, Brind'Amour, no rings. Yes, Weight, no rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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