LabattBlue Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 I'm not really interested in +/- because if you are on the ice for 100 ES GF, annd 90 ES GA, you are a +10. Doesn't mean you are good in your own zone. I was looking for a site that list ES GA, but can't find one. Instead, on nhl.com they list total GA, and PK GA. I know TOI should also be factored in, but I'm not doing that much math. What I am trying to determine is if guys who are on the ice for the fewest ES GA, are guys you can depend on the most come playoff time. So far the sample size is small(5 games), so I am not sure if this is much of a indication at this point as to who is good vs. bad... Fewest ES GA so far... Ennis - 0 Boyes, Gaustad & Gerbe - 1 9 players - 2 Most ES GA so far... Ehrhoff - 6 Vanek - 4 Then again, maybe this is nothing more than fuzzy math. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Wouldn't you also have to factor in which of the opponents' lines the player is put on ice against? Going by the numbers you observe, I'm not surprised as I would expect Ehrhoff and Vanek to be on ice when the game is on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Wouldn't you also have to factor in which of the opponents' lines the player is put on ice against? It isn't an exact science, but I don't see Lindy matching lines very often, so the play against other teams top lines should be equally distributed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 It isn't an exact science, but I don't see Lindy matching lines very often, so the play against other teams top lines should be equally distributed. I would also think you would have to factor in Time On Ice. I'm sure Ehroff and Vanek are getting bigger minutes than some of the aformentioned players. Although I'm at work so I can't look this up to verify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 I would also think you would have to factor in Time On Ice. I'm sure Ehroff and Vanek are getting bigger minutes than some of the aformentioned players. Although I'm at work so I can't look this up to verify. I mentioned TOI in the first post. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 I mentioned TOI in the first post. ;) Wow, rough morning, sorry I missed it. It's interesting for sure, but I don't know what (if anything) this necessarily tells us. A giveaway by one guy on the ice leading to a goal will give a negative rating to everyone on the ice, even if it wasn't the other four's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazielSabre Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 No offense, it's an interesting field but doing part of the math can lead to scewy results. TOI, lines they are playing against are just some of the factors. I know they've been mentioned so sorry for repeating them. Its true there is no real stats that judge how good someone is in their own end. Stats for everything else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabre4life Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Some of those +/- can be attributed to on-the-fly line changes... A bad line change by say Kaleta for Vanek can lead to an odd man rush goal being scored... Is that really Vanek's fault because Kaleta was laboring to get the bench? No, but the - will still be credited to Vanek as he was on the ice. I don't get caught up in the +/- debates... But I do look at ESGA to factor into how well this team is playing, it's obivious so far that if they stay out of the box and off the PP they'll be a high seed playoff team. (but not if they play only 30min of game) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Wow, rough morning, sorry I missed it. It's interesting for sure, but I don't know what (if anything) this necessarily tells us. A giveaway by one guy on the ice leading to a goal will give a negative rating to everyone on the ice, even if it wasn't the other four's fault. I understand this. I was just looking for a stat that is more reflective of how a player does in his own end instead of +/-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 I'm not really interested in +/- because if you are on the ice for 100 ES GF, annd 90 ES GA, you are a +10. Doesn't mean you are good in your own zone. I was looking for a site that list ES GA, but can't find one. Instead, on nhl.com they list total GA, and PK GA. I know TOI should also be factored in, but I'm not doing that much math. What I am trying to determine is if guys who are on the ice for the fewest ES GA, are guys you can depend on the most come playoff time. So far the sample size is small(5 games), so I am not sure if this is much of a indication at this point as to who is good vs. bad... Fewest ES GA so far... Ennis - 0 Boyes, Gaustad & Gerbe - 1 9 players - 2 Most ES GA so far... Ehrhoff - 6 Vanek - 4 Then again, maybe this is nothing more than fuzzy math. :D All that typing, and you couldn't write out the words "even strength" even once?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 All that typing, and you couldn't write out the words "even strength" even once?? Sorry. I didn't think the acronym would be that difficult to figure out. :nana: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Did you take into account the PP GA? Of course those may be worse than the ES GA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Did you take into account the PP GA? Of course those may be worse than the ES GA. PP GA are not part of the numbers I posted. I subtracted them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Sorry. I didn't think the acronym would be that difficult to figure out. :nana: Not all of us are scanning the stats for fantasy hockey leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresMojo Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 I understand this. I was just looking for a stat that is more reflective of how a player does in his own end instead of +/-. It all depends on how you view +/- You gotta think that +/- is figured out by ES and SHGA So the two shorties Buffalo gave up against Carolina was hurting. But look at this: Ehrhoff TOI/G: 24:41 +/- = (-2) McCormick TOI/G: 8:53 +/- = (-2) Players with TOI/G of 14:39-17:01 is where the highest +/- ratings are located. This is one of those stats that you have to wait till another few weeks into the year to see what happens; kinks get ironed out, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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