That Aud Smell

Absolutely. DC is lousy with them.

There is no end to #SomeSuffering No end. Thanks for coming back for an emeritus farewell, Lindy. I'll always be fond of you. I've already written off the season. If this team were to somehow string together a 6 or 7 game winning streak within the next few weeks, I'd tune back in. Barring that, I'm done. I don't imagine that Pegula will fire Adams. The Seth Appert succession plan must be permitted to come to fruition.

I think this is right. Also, if the refs on the field had managed to rule it a fumble in real time, there would be no TD signal, no whistles. Then the refs would be standing around, conspicuously, as the ball skittered to a stop in the end zone. I think players on the field would pick up on that and pounce. If they didn't, the refs would give it a few beats and then blow the play dead -- returning the ball to the team that fumbled it.

The booth ruled it a fumble. The refs on the field called it a touchdown. I thought I resolved the confusion? Maybe not.

Further clarity? I think @K-9 was saying to me: Nothing would have happened on the field because the signal for TD was made - play's over. My question was more directed to what the replay booth would have done.

Anyway, it seems there were still two outcomes possible: Ball rolls out of bounds after the play's been called dead (tuddy) and Texans get ball at 20, or ball comes to rest in end zone after the play's been called dead (tuddy) and Jets get ball at ~1. Nobody was ever getting an opportunity to fall on that ball (whistle blown) and the refs would not have been able to pick up the ball in error as it lay in the end zone (rather, they signaled a TD in error).

Ah. Wait. ... It's been a long week. Touchdown signaled on the field. Play's dead at that time. FAHK. I have sleep to catch up on. Can anyone tell?

Here's what I was talking about. My question was And this answer came (especially the bolded). I thought K-9 missed the thrust of my question - hence my "huh?" The other answers upthread confirmed that something would have happened if, instead of rolling out of the end zone, the ball had laid still in the end zone and then been picked up (in error) by the refs. That is: Rather than the Texans getting the ball on the 20, the Jets would have had it on the ~1. Am I missing something? Nope. I'm asking: What if, instead of rolling out of the end zone, that ball had come to rest in the end zone, and was then picked up (in error (?)) by the refs. I'm given to understand that the ruling would have been different than what actually happened last night.

Huh? I think the question was answered upthread. The Texans got the ball on their own 20 because the ball rolled - slowly rolled - out of the back of the end zone. My question was: What if the ball had not rolled out of the end zone? What would replay have done then if the refs had picked up a live ball (thinking it was dead)? I think it must be right that the Jets would have been given the ball at the ~1 (or half) yard line. Or, as it happened, if the refs picked it up and blew the play dead before anyone bothered to recover it (not that anyone was bothering to do so). I imagine defensive coaches are drilling their players: If the ball's loose in the end zone because it was dropped by a hot dogging player, fall on it.

Thanks. Is that just a(n educated) guess? If you're stating it as fact: How do you know that?

If the ball came to rest within the end zone, the refs would have picked it up and the play would have been dead. What's the outcome there? A replay of the down?

My question - and I have not been able to get an answer for it - is: What would have happened if that ball had not rolled out of the end zone?

Is there a resource that is tracking the proverbial "man games lost" for all NFL teams this season? I could not find one. The Bills have had some injuries, to be sure. Bernard wound up being not as bad as first feared. Milano is assuredly their biggest loss. Credit to the coaching staff for coaching up and around the loss of such a special player. Crucially, the Bills have remained quite healthy at the game's most important positions. I won't name them for fear of invoking the wrath of the gods.

There's some adjusted for inflation talk in this calculator's offering. I don't follow it. I wish I could find the one that I originally used. Oop - here's the one I first used. https://www.officialdata.org/us/stocks/s-p-500/2011?amount=189000000&endYear=2024

I can't readily find the one I used, but this one looks similar and, I think, yields the same result: Just over $1B. https://ofdollarsanddata.com/sp500-calculator/ Lol - "just over" $1B means that the number includes $29MM.

As I'd acknowledged in another thread today: My reflexive reaction was "ZOMG THE R.O.I. ON THIS THING!" Then I asked an online calculator to tell me what $189MM would be today if it had been invested in an index fund in 2011 (so, equities). The answer was damn near identical to what the franchise is now reportedly worth. Moving up the ladder in any meaningful way would require relocation.

In athletics, especially contact sports, thinking too much and lacking confidence will look like a lack of effort. I very much disagree that Quinn's game prior to this season hinted at a problem with playing a soft game. It's the coaches' responsibility -- but mostly Quinn's job -- to get this sorted out.

JACK QUINN WILL BE FINE. (Please be fine, Jack Quinn.)

Dbag on dbag crime right there. Edge to Diggs for his riposte: “‘We can talk about’ deez nuts.”

What in fresh hell happened to my favourite player? I have not been able to watch much of the team so far this season. What an absolute bummer, though. For those asking for an assignment to Roch, I presume that can't happen without exposing him to waivers. In which case, it is not happening. For those suggesting he be traded, that is folly. Given what they know the young man has in him, it would be asinine to trade him when his value is so low.

Stefon Diggs tore his ACL. I know he's a diva. I know he's a weirdo. But I always loved me some Diggy Diggs when he wore the red, white, and blue. I hope he heals up and gets another kick at the can. Just not in KC or Baltimore, please.

"DeLuca" .500? I'm asking. In case you're unaware, a former regular here posited that .500 must be measured by counting OTL's as L's. Thus, the Sabres are now 4-6, not 4-5-1.

@Taro T: How could you?

Good point. The deficiency is not something that can't be mitigated or perhaps even mostly eliminated as you grow and learn. And people can say what they will about McDermott, but that guy puts his money where his mouth is when it comes to "growth mindset." This is also a good point. And I feel it's something that has evolved over his tenure. I can't readily count the number of games in the past ~30 regular season games where I've said, or agreed with someone saying, "the Bills really made good in-game adjustments." Talk about bottom-5 in his era, I think Marv may have never figured out how to really adjust a plan on the fly.

it's cliche, for sure. but - outside of great QB play - line play on both sides of the ball means the most to team success. and the bills' o-line is a good one. they've had some rough patches, but they're a very good unit.