Pimlach

I missed the game. Watch the lowlights, read the stats, read the thread. This team needs help at the top. The FO is delusional. The owner is absent and doesn’t care.

Would like to see VO play and score. Maybe it will help his value.

I think the BN said Casey would take at least $6M and they can’t keep everyone for the reason you stated. I just hope they bring in some new vet forwards and not just give spots to prospects. My initial thoughts were what you have in bold. If he turns out good how do we pay him, Dahlin, and Power in two years? I guess they manage that as they go.

I’m trying. I’m done with that conversation.

What is the Sabres return? Why do we have to throw in more if we retain a lot of salary? Unfortunately, I see skinner playing one more year and then maybe a trade/buyout.

I never called you ignorant or anything else for that matter. All the name calling is on you. But I’ll grow up and use the ignore capability to give everyone else a break. I don’t even think we disagree extensively on the trade. Reading comprehension is the issue.

I don’t appreciate your comments and names, and you are mistaken. My comments are consistent - I don’t think we can evaluate this trade until Adams finishes his off season move. Hardly chicken little. In summary: The trade created a sizable hole at center. They got younger on defense - potential salary issues when Byram is up. They still lack a certain big physical presence on defense. They have more work to do on this roster. You simply cannot comprehend. Put me on ignore and do us both a favor.

Probably so. Maybe we can find UFAs that can bolster the forward position. Looks like we will be very young at D next season. No one is near their prime years for NHL defenseman.

You say he isn’t a second line center, but he will be fine. Make up your mind. We need two centers. A 4C and a guy that can play 2/3C. If Cozens can hold a 2C slot that’s great. When Cozens plays with Quinn and Peterka he looks like a 2C to me. Other times he doesn’t. You wanna start name calling? Stop responding to me if you are going to do that.

So far, this trade made a bigger hole than what it filled. I think more acquisitions must happen. We need two more centers. A 4C and a 2/3C. I do not see our prospects pool having NHL ready centers next season. Our defense with EJ out, and Byram in, just got younger Bo Dahlin Power Muel Johnson Clifton Joker Bryson.

Unless, more trades are coming …

Ok. Except the top 2 centers that are locked up are both playing worse than Casey, who is our best all around forward. Did this trade make the Sabres better? I would say not by itself. More moves are required. Their Defense has high pedigree, but might lack diversity in the roles needed to be successful.

I know you are joking, but has it got this bad?

I missed the game. I read the thread. Glad I missed this one. It sounds like we wasted another good game by UPL We need more NHL FORWARDS. Not less.

In the limited time I’ve seen him play he seems more like a Zemgus (without the physical size) than a Mitts .

Good. Why are they trading him two years later straight up for Mitts?

Who says he is top 4? We don’t know yet. Does he compliment the top 4 we have? Who does he replace at LHD? Will someone be traded? I am not sure we need him as much as we needed the guy we traded away. More moves must be coming.

We don’t know how good he is, or how good he will be. So if we are trying to improve now then maybe this is not the right guy. We have 23 year old Dahlin, 21 year old Power. We have Johnson. We locked up Power and Dahlin for big dollars. - 22 years old - 190 ish pound defender - the Avs moving on from him - we lost our best 2way center to get him. Looks like a development project, I want to win now. We have enough youth already.

Casey was panned because the team sucked and he was rushed into the NHL. He got better after his stint in Rochester, no surprise. There is no proof that Byram is a better player, his draft status of 4OA means nothing. If he was showing anything to indicate he was a special player he would not have been traded. He is a smallish defender who’s game is similar to Joker, and Johnson, and even Dahlin. He brings nothing different. He is not the missing link - a RHD, a big tough stay at home defenseman that we lack. He will not punish opponents who hang out in front of our net. The trade took away our best 2way center, that can contribute on the PP, and the first line. We now have another defenseman who is like the others we already have. Unless they trade Joker or Power or Johnson we just added another of the same. No diversity in their game. By trading Mitts for this guy we created another hole related to the type of players that this roster needs. Maybe another deal is coming.

That’s 3 top pairing dmen. Why are the Avs giving up on him?

Sabres development process: 1. Rush him into the line up. 2. Live with his mistakes because he is young 3. Once he gets to prime age trade him because he said he wants to leave.

Good summary. If he goes I do not think they should bring him back either, despite all you said. Find the elusive "vet in their prime that wants to be here" and upgrade the roster. That should be Adams top priority.

Good riddance to the era, not to Kyle. Seems like a real good guy and he was a good soldier - just didn't like the team reaction to the booing when it was easy to understand and explain. Best wishes whatever happens. To be honest, I still don't think he is leaving.

I an heading out on travel, might be able to catch some of it tonight. Beating he Leaves is always a must win. We need a good start n the road. Come out ready to go. So I will say Muscle Weight.

This is intense. I enjoyed reading it.