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Don't think there's any actual definitive statements, cause that would confirm that there has been actual trade negotiation, but it has been rumoured and talked about by insiders (don't remember which one(s) of the Dreger LeBrun MacKenzie types). I mean i don't even think there's any official statements about trying to trade Eichel at all.

Dahlin hasn't earned anything close to that. Heiskenan showed his value in that long playoff run in the bubble. It's a big contract, but not way out there for where he's at and his value to them.

idk. With an open goalie slot I'd give up that 3rd if his price point was in the range we wanted. We need 2 goalies, not just 1. A 3rd is no big deal. Florida however, might not want this to happen. They might prefer the Kraken take him so they don't lose somebody else rather than getting a pick.

So this isn't a Kurt Cobain thread then?

That is the case. Rangers have stated that Lafreniere would not be part of any Eichel deal. A NY deal would likely be veterans and draft picks. They like their young core, and why wouldn't they? Like LA, they're a team with big potential and a solid group of youngsters. Big markets however so impatience might push them towards an Eichel addition, but again, not at the expense of the youngsters.

Danault would be a good addition and maybe in our case it's worth it but as I understand it he wants a lot, more than what typical low scoring shut down centers usually get. Not sure that's the best plan. If we're overpaying checkers and character guys I'd rather throw some money at Czikis.

I was really surprised to read in the Sullivan piece that Skinner holds the current record for number of NHL games played without making the playoffs (773). I had assumed he'd been in there with Carolina but thinking about it, ya, I guess that was before they got good. Risto (542) Reinhart (454) and even Eichel (375) what a sad state of affairs when you stop to think about it (which I try not to).

So then in essence we're protecting him for someone else and then asking for a good young D man back to replace Borgen.

Girardi seemed to be good for the D. Definitely an upgrade from Smith, but that was a low bar. Still not sure what Ellis does. No shocks here. They didn't change Granato, why would they change his assistants.

Colorado is apparently interested in Kuemper so they might be planning to move on from Grubauer. So maybe that's a goalie we could get.

I don't think those are the pieces Calgary wants to get rid of. There's some talk of them possibly moving Giordano and there's always talk about Gaudreau. If Sutter is in charge of their direction, I see them looking for work ethic players and not "stars". Eichel to Calgary would surprise me that's for sure.

I personally don't believe we should be buyers if on the cusp. I'd still sell even if we were close. You go with the kids. We make it great, we don't we move on. Otherwise I get your point about salary, but he'd be desirable at trade time if I was running a true contender.

Likely true, but I still think his best trade value will be before the playoff deadline.

We've seen snippets of that when he's on his game, like for example how he got under Ovi's skin. He throws his weight around and he can really mess with the opposition, but he needs a lesser role and a solid partner. Borgen is being over rated because of his fresh shiny newness.

Okay why not. Risto will still be here this year. He will in fact re-sign and eventually retire as a lifetime Sabre. Ullmark will be a meh back up for some other team. Power will be our pick. Power will end up a hall of fame player. Eichel will go to Boston for Jake DeBrusk and 4 consecutive 1st round draft choices. We will all hate this. We will trade Jake Debrusk to Edmonton after a year of disappointing results. Reinhart will score 40 goals. For Vancouver. Skinner will be here forever, eventually becoming GM. Tage Thompson will eventually quit hockey and join the circus. We will finish dead last but lose the lottery. KA will get bumped up to some fictitious uber management job and a new GM will be hired after the season. Kim Pegula will say the fans don't know everything we do.

Driedger might be just a back up, but he wouldn't be a bad guy to pick up to fill that slot. We're going to need 2 goalies next year, Ullmark as one of them or not. Lehner listed here, that's kind of funny. Ya, he'd be real happy with that deal 🙂 Holtby might be done, I agree, but that's one I thought of before that might be a part of a Reinhart deal if Vancouver is in the mix as rumoured. They have cap issues and might want to unload him (if they think Seattle would pass on him anyway). Hard to say. Not as a starter imo, but again, as your #2 for a year until UPL maybe. Creativity maybe? 3 way before and after. Trade for Lehner, protect him, after draft deal him . That would give us lots to chat about 🙂 Not filling the spot with somebody though is definitely the height of stupidity as pointed out already.

I'm pretty sure this is just a do it for the team kind of move and it's designed simply to protect an extra body since Seattle won't take that contract (and good for Jeff for doing that) but..................here's where I dream............. It was pointed out to me in an earlier thread that Seattle couldn't focus on grabbing younger cheaper guys since they had to take on some salaries in this draft as they have to spend up to a cap floor. So if they were given some sort of incentive to take a guy like Skinner. A guy who MIGHT get them 20-30 goals for a few years, and sure they overpay him, but then they are part way there to that cap issue already and then they can focus on more young cheaper players to build with.........if they rise quickly they can always buy him out after 4 years or so, but if he fits in ........ it's not an impossible scenario. I can dream.

If we trade Eichel we will need a captain. I don't think he's coming here either, but he'd be a good addition.

2/3 but spread out for twice the remaining contract period - if I have it right.

On TSN today Dreger said he believes Minnesota will now make a serious offer for Eichel, but he might just be blowing smoke.

Yes, Rask has said that. He's also having some sort of surgery that might make him miss the beginning of the year. Rinne has retired, today. Dubnyk as a back up only. He's hot and cold (lately mostly cold). Anderson not sure. He could still have some life left in him. Really nothing to get excited about among the old guys, you are right.

Mittlestadt?

imo the only way Ullmark comes back is if nobody else offers him good money and we drastically over pay him and I don't really like that scenario. I'm with the majority and feel UPL should be in Rochester for the year. KA needs to make signing a couple goalies a priority but I'm not sure he will. Haven't heard a word about needing a goalie from them so I worry they think it's going to be UPL now in a learn on the job bit of folly. My preference would be to find a way to get Merzlikins in here. Dubnyk could be an affordable back up.

I like Borgen but I do think people are really over valuing him. I don't think he will be taken even if unprotected. I think they take Bjork/Asplund whoever is left exposed.

idk why the Hedman comparison keeps coming up. I guess that's just LGR4GM pushing that to make his point. He's not going to be Hedman, He's going to be Shea Weber or Pieterangelo. Anyone have a problem with that? and Beniers isn't going to be Bergeron, he's going to be Horvat at best. But that isn't bad either. I'm not sure who Eklund will be. He's tenacious but I don't think he's Forsberg level. I've seen some Zetterberg comparisons but that might be a reach. Maybe. (by the way @LGR4GM I forgot to mention this earlier in the other related thread, my mentioning Reinhart wasn't supposed to mean a direct skating comparison, but rather that both lauded as having great hockey IQ but neither having elite speed and that was where it ends).