PerreaultForever

Exactly. Which tells you that Byram could have fetched a decent haul if they'd gone that same route. I mean consider it. Even if Byram is less and you only get the 2 firsts, you sign Orlov in free agency and then use those picks for Rust or maybe even Robertson. Face it, Adams is a lousy GM and he is killing this team because Dahlin will ask out after this year. I am almost certain of it.

wouldn't you?

Apparently not old enough to know how to spell his name though 🙂 Perreault was special there's no question about it. He was part of why I became a Sabres fan and he had the skill to be the best ever but I will say I think he lacked the work ethic and desire to be that guy. He did have a tendency to just rest on his talent and not try to be better and better and win it all. Even a little lazy at times. If he had had Howe's toughness and work ethic he would most definitely have been the greatest ever. I usually rank it: 1. Orr 2. Howe 3. Gretzky 4. Perreault 5. Lemieux but it's hard to compare eras and positions.

I think you can actually get extra value. Say you get a first, a second and a prospect for Byram (which feels about right to me). You flip that first and second and maybe a lower pick of your own for a forward you still have that prospect. Or maybe a lower level roster player. These are all hypotheticals but this sort of deal does happen all the time.

It's not "trash" though. It's how deals get done. Not all teams want the same things. Let me give you a hypothetical to explain. A team like San Jose wants players because they feel they are ready to move up. They'd love a guy like Byram. What they have to offer was a cupboard full of picks and prospects. That's step 1. Then a team like Dallas was up against the cap so they might love some high end picks and prospects for one of their contracts. That's how you do it. Kevyn Adams seems incapable of seeing multiple things at the same time and how they can interact.

I doubt he got "trash offers" but I imagine they were not player for player offers. I bet he got a lot of offers involving picks and prospects and if he'd taken those and then flipped them to someone else he'd have gotten what he wanted as we alluded to earlier.

Sabres just don't make moves like this. They just don't.

Well of course he does. He's better than those stiffs but you aren't going to build a winning team and culture with these sort of temporary fixes. Now I have heard Byram wanted 9 million and no way do I think we should have paid that, but I'd rather have traded him and made moves to fill that void. Orlov or somebody could have been signed to temporarily fill the Byram hole if Adams was on the ball. The way this is trending I think it will all fall apart within 2 years.

It's funny how everybody says that about everybody who leaves and yet they keep leaving. The team is NOT committed to winning and it shows. That's the difference. Utah at least appears like it will do everything it can to get better. When have we felt that way about the Sabres? Players know this.

I've been talking about that for years. You make multiple deals. Some teams want picks. Some teams want players. You mix and match appropriately. It's not that hard. This is stupid by the Sabres. This is not how you create a team where players will want to come. Byram will be 2 years and gone as a UFA.

Tell that to Jeremy Swayman.

Ya but it also means Buffalo's offer to him was not close to what he wants/expects. Players don't really like filing for arbitration either. It's a process that often creates bad blood and can mess with term too. Adams is going to have a hard time arguing here as he's already said he sees Timmons as an upgrade on Clifton.

Really interested to see if Boston whips him into shape or not. I think most likely they eventually dump him but the pressure will be on now for sure.

Is this what Sabres ever do? Unless you're talking a low cost as in league minimum AHL/NHL guy there's nobody there to get. They traded Clifton because depth be damned. The other option (as this team functions) is Dahlin-Samuelsson and Power-Kesselring and that ain't a good idea. Dahlin-Power for 30 minutes a night might be how they roll - all the way to the McKenna lottery.

If they trade Byram for a forward, I bet you they go with Dahlin on the right side and Power-Dahlin is a distinct possibility.

Oh wow, one more reason to fire him. I'm fine with Mrtka but I would have put him 10-12. Hagens I figured 5-7 but he fell because of the Brady Martin love affair. Since the draft I have learned more about him and it seems he's not as slight as Hughes was. 190 lbs. at the moment and adding muscle. Maybe more like Benson in that regard.

Did they actually say that? If so that's dumb.

Oh I wish I could be but not any more. There's just nothing. They have botched this rebuild (if you start with Eichel, Reinhart, Risto trades as the starting point) so badly I don't see a fix. Now I think the only thing that can save this franchise is Terry giving up, handing the team over to his kid and retiring to Florida. She fires everybody and lets Jarmo start a new rebuild as GM with full authority to hire whoever and he cleans house and moves out the entire roster and we just start again like an expansion team. Clean slate. Actual NHL people running the thing. Can't be any worse.

That meme brings to mind a story I read that the Flyers were off season training with some UFC guy so wtf is that about? Maybe they really are planning on being the Broad Street Bullies again. I like Kesselring. I don't know anything about Doan other than his lineage which might give false hope that he's like dad but the idea that the Sabres are substantially harder to play against now is kind of far fetched. We moved up a little maybe from softest team in the league but we're still on the mid to low side league wide in terms of team toughness.

You think he'll manage 50? I say 40 max.

Well yes and a lot of Bruins fans are upset with the Jeannot signing and it's splitting the fan base for sure. Much talk about overpays for bottom end players. But this is the thing. What was the discussion of Hagens over the last year? Super talented, great speed and skill, creative, but he's kind of small. Hughes comparisons. He could get crunched in the NHL. That was the talk. So what do they do? Get him a bodyguard plain and simple. That to me seems pretty smart. The future of that team rests on how good (or bad) Hagens is.

Yes but my point is everything is relative. If you get slightly harder to play against and your opposition gets even harder to play against you are no longer hard to play against relatively speaking.

This "harder to play against" narrative makes me laugh. Sweeney in Boston saying exactly the same thing. "We want to be harder to play against". So Sabres add Kesselring and Doan. Bruins add Jeannot, Eyssimont, Kuraly and already have Zadorov and Kastelic. I do not expect either team to make the playoffs, but who actually became harder to play against?

You're an apologist for a franchise of failure. Are you maybe too young to know what a real team should function like? I'm not "hysterical" I'm just no longer "Hoping" or giving them the benefit of a doubt. I'm just f'n fed up.