Thorny

A huge huge part of it is the fallout with Eichel, too. I don’t care if people don’t want to hear it. It’s time to grow up and admit the obvious which goes hand in hand with what you are saying: we TANKED to get this dude. We made the choice to prioritize one player above the team, then had the utter hubris to think we didn’t have to lie in the bed we made after doing wrong by that asset. they looked like amateur hour idiots

It should be unanimously agreed that the priority isn’t winning right now

The Sabres finished with 81 points the season before Adams was made GM. We have averaged 76 points a season since. They are pacing for 79 points this year. He’s taken 5 years to get the team from 81 points to 79. what progress is this utter clown talking about

lmao

Called it, even worse that I thought though. Even after a loss lol

It’s not what the tank has wrought, it’s what the people who made the decision to tank have wrought. The damage of something we did a decade ago would be fixable, if not for the fact the idiocy that employed it is still here

Already turned it off, could not stomach beyond: “to build sustainable success year over year you need to go young.” Literally try to achieve success ONCE first! How stupid does he think the fans are? The utter hubris of this man and this organization remains baffling Well I’ve watched my last game while this dude is the GM

Sounds like we’re in a reasonable position then

lol they boo all the time when the effort is fine. They boo’ed the other night when we were pressing down 1 with the goalie pulled. What they are actually booing is 13 years

Jets aren’t very good Id say the are “good”

No im saying I bet you the players hates the fans. the fans have a right to boo. But imo they are booing management and the owner

It’s over. It’s merely a gesture upon repeated request Adams will even be slightly defensive if we win today lol that’ll give him the ammo to scoff

Nm

This seems right

Real men cry

I agree with that too, have said it many times. Not to be a broken record but “the most frustrating part of missing for 13 straight years is that it’s actually not that hard to make the playoffs.” We probably DON’T need to shift all that much: I think there will be exponential benefit to the priorities of the organization *actually* changing. Not just in namesake. Like, we can all agree the number one priority really wasn’t winning this year, right? Not with the spending on / age of the roster in question. I think the actual culture shift from committing to winning in a real sense could be massive

I wanted to post about how it should have been ridiculously obvious to everyone, then, upon his hiring that he was exceptionally underqualified, and then point out that’s revisionist history based on the team performance. But, no, I think you might just be right. A quick perusal of the thread shows the board ridiculously dialed in

Sit up in the press box for this one and watch how the big boys get some engagement going

Right, I do hear that argument a lot and I get it. But like I’m pretty critical of Adams and even I struggle a bit with that one, as I pointed out. It’s sounds great in theory but how much can we really expect one man to punch above his weight in a power dynamic? Terry can buy and sell his sorry ass with ease. Not being able to MAKE or convince someone well above you in the chain of command to do it your way is sort of far down the list of things I’d blame Adams for tbh

Not sure what you are disagreeing with, then. We agree a short time span is necessary

How do we know Adams can’t do the job if he’s only doing what Pegula wants? I keep hearing things like “only” and “all”, ie, Terry is making all the decisions. if this was the case, a) we actually can’t tie anything negative (nor positive) to Kevyn Adams. He would be an unknown. I don’t think willingness to do what the GM says is a great argument against him as, who wouldn’t, if they were willing to pay you a professional salary to do it? Are you confident in saying, without a track record to go on, he’s unemployable as GM? b) for an oil guy, with literally zero qualifications to run a professional sports team, Terry is actually a relatively great NHL GM. Almost every year he’s constructing teams finishing ahead of some assembled by actual professionals. That’s like my old ass playing in the nhl and finishing like 696th in scoring out of 700. Heck of a freaking accomplishment

Hard disagree. The timeline employed is a central factor, maybe the utmost, in selecting the proper people. We cannot afford to elect for someone who proposes a long-form timeline So, if you could hypothetically switch out Terry for whoever you consider to be the ideal owner, would you be fine with Adams getting a reprieve?

Hell no. Another first time GM is no bueno It can’t even be a consideration Or next year for that matter. It will require patience. It shall require the managing of expectations

He would manage expectations The players on this team *absolutely* despise the fans lol. I’d bet on it. Id feel bad for them, tbh, if we didn’t have it oh so much worse