Thorny

Oh, ok. Seems decent. Pretty much just thinking this

8.75 feels a smidge high tbh but a couple of our other contracts make it an easier pill to swallow

Still agree. If it’s not a positive experience for you, one shouldn’t engage. I’m happy to discuss Jack’s Cup victory for those who want and enjoy the discussion, but then again for me the experience was notably different than for most

Why? Because the system is completely loaded. Even our future-loving, analytical prospects gurus don’t have time to hype up all these dudes. Time for a trade!

Ya I mean he only played 19 regular season games there, total (25 including playoffs). Not even a chance to adjust. And much too small a sample size to draw any sort of convincing statistical argument imo. That’s jumping right in to an existing system, MID season, too: Hellebuyck would have an off-season and then preseason of practice. I also haven’t seen numbers that suggest Hellebuyck is worse than average at those types of shots, just worst than some other elite goaltenders. I see a goalie that, overall, all situations considered, is statistically elite, year in and year out, that might be simply “very good” if we *didn’t* improve our defensive structure. Considering the rumours the Sabres were asking about Hellebuyck, if we can assume those can be believed, I’d imagine Adams wouldn’t be showing interest unless he thought Hellebuyck was a fit: he has all the data we have and then some In addition, Hellebuyck has played under numerous systems with multiple coaches over the course of his career and he’s been very good to great year in, year out If the argument is Saros or Hellebuyck, sure, I get it. But there isn’t a universe in which Hellebuyck isn’t a significant upgrade over what we currently have, so unless there’s some other better option, the idea that a Hellebuyck might not improve upon Comrie and UPL in *every* area by a vast degree, and merely most, doesn’t deter me from being in favour of the addition Im not signing him to a big extension as part of the deal, before ever seeing how he fits in. I’m merely very interested in the idea of adding what will likely be a great goalie for us, next season, for the risk of merely a 1st round pick. To me that’s worth it, but others have made clear they consider it a “rental” and don’t like it at that cost

Maybe that’s why, what? If you believe the reports of Anderson being in negotiations are true, I don’t see how that meshes with the idea his sister signed with the beauts because he’s about to be a Sabre. If that was her key factor, seems an awfully risky bet to lock that in if Andersen still very well may sign with Carolina. These factors point to it being a coincidence, if you believe the reporting re: Anderson’s contract discussions

Why ignore the context? Do you not believe the context makes it plausible his reaction was that of someone who was triggered by 2 hours of grown adult men mercilessly booing him? Because that’s what it was, a reaction. It wasn’t unprompted. Clearly he was “gotten to”. To me it’s wildly understandable that he didn’t take the high road. The fans certainly didn’t. The fans got the exact reaction from Jack they wanted, really, that’s the funny thing. You boo mercilessly to hopefully get a reaction. With the Cup win, with the distance and time... Jack always spoke highly of the city and community I’d imagine he’d focus on his feelings in those areas if asked in a normal environment

A women’s team? Who, Carolina? As far as I can see no, there’s only 7 teams in that league

For the record If being close to family is the deciding factor I can’t see his sister making the Beauts decision on that principle jiving with the news that Andersen is in negotiations with Carolina One would think there’d be a reasonable level of certainty if she made her decision based on that idea

The most recent one was significantly better than the one before it. It was still over the top, but it was more in line with the ridiculousness of the first 8. 9 was weird. It was like they were specifically attempting to jump the shark. 10 was actually tongue in cheek and more self aware

I guess the idea is paying a player their worth, now, while they deserve it, if you can accurately calculate it, rather than making them indisputably proving what they are worth, and then paying said player based on that performance that, at that point become past performance, where the performance in the now term might not be reflective of the $$ value they earned with *previous* play. Calculated risk for GMs I guess. Pay for performance not past performance. Way more likely to get an albatross deal when Age becomes a negative factor

Dom Toretto close, I hear

I don’t really think it’s a matter of family being important, or not lol I suppose now that she’s coming over she may specifically have chosen the beauts cause she herself wants to be close to family while here and they’ve got wind of the fact Andersen is assuredly signing with Buffalo, but that seems pretty far fetched.

I mean he’s been living here for a long time already

EHLERS!

Do you base where you find employment according to where your sister does? It’s probably just a coincidence

I’d be ok with that

For my part I just care more about maxing our cap value over the next 5-7 seasons (3-7, specifically, when it’ll get way tighter) than I do about years 15-20 of our 30 year impending dynasty im not that fussed about protecting that year 12 of Power you mentioned until I see what we amount to in the...decade proceeding it. We seem to be protecting something we haven’t even built yet, protecting an idea

I agree, it should absolutely be an established vet with Levi, one who is accustomed to a large workload

Those adjustments are necessary regardless though. The data just says that Hellebuyck struggles with the most difficult shots. Dunno why folks would be surprised by this. All goalies struggle more the more difficult the shot. If the exceptions to that rule are only the truly elite, like Shesterkin, ie their sv% goes down on these chances but not as relatively so, it’s not a mark against acquiring Hellebuyck, unless those guys are available. Hellebuyck’s relative “weakness” in that area is still stronger than the field, the goalies we’ve been rostering of late.

You may not need a great goalie, but you certainly need great goaltending. The logical fallacy is saying that just because goaltending can be unpredictable, that there aren’t some goalies more likely than others to provide that great performance. You can’t just throw your hands up at the position and pretend any old UPL might randomly go on a Hill like run, and call it a day. Not only is Hill the exception to the rule, he was still significantly more established than the Comrie’s of the world, coming into the season

How would you compare the goalie situation , year over year?

Depends if KA gets *his* price

I just don’t see a Myers like trajectory for a first OA pick but you are correct of course that there’s some risk

I feel like a bridge is by far the worst outcome. Maybe because I don’t doubt Power at all, but what’s the big point in raking up savings the next 2 seasons, if it’s not about doubting his likely development curve? Would we even *use* that cap space? Weren’t we way under it this year? We won’t maximize it just because it’s there. Id take 6, 7, 8 year deals before kicking the can down the road. Also can’t minimize the benefit the cost certainty would provide, as Adams plans the structure of the much more difficult to manage, convoluted seasons on the way. A bridge just leaves KA unsure what his cap looks like in 3 years and perhaps less able to make moves