Thorny

Merely checking in called back a goal

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Oh god, the Dunleavy feed on sportsnet in Canada

As many wins over remaining games as left shots in the lineup and we make the playoffs

Maybe when you are my age

My stance is also informed by the fact we need to make the playoffs next year. I feel like that’s an incredibly fair bar for Adams and this regime, but regardless, it’s my bar. @DarthEbriatesaid something to me recently and it was a good reminder and hit home. At some point, it becomes my own fault for putting up with it. My line is 5 years. If we can’t make the playoffs next year and Adams retains his job, I am going to cut ties for my own sanity. I’ll always be a “fan” and they’ll always have a place in my heart but, I can’t in good conscience continue following and contributing to the fandom (and this board) like I do (for some, this will undoubtedly represent a vast improvement to their fandom) I wouldn’t blame you at all if you choose to disregard my stance in totality because I’m funnelling it so throughly through the prism of needing to make the playoffs next year. It’s certainly a bias. But it’s admitted bias, it’s out there in the open. Feel free to call me out on anything that isn’t congruent. In my favour, I’ve maintained that as the objective line well before I made it personal Ill be angsty until we make it this season, or are eliminated: I’m putting that aside willingly once the offseason/next season starts: I’m sure as shite not spending my last season around here wallowing. It’ll be a fun year and we will either make it, or not. i may not be a “season ticket holder” but I’ve been signing up for a front row seat for 3 decades. It represents no one but myself but as a die hard fan, this is my feeling at this time

Yes, your entire plan of action is informed by such a different philosophical stance to mine I can’t even begin to address it on a point by point basis, it would just be a waste of both our times. You start out by looking for reasons why we need to keep each player, I start out within a stance that any asset is on the table in the name of securing a playoff spot next year i don’t see it as a scenario where we are “cashing in the future” because a couple moves, regardless of what prospects we pay, isn’t going to severely handicap our future. The misnomer is that we need to “sell the farm”. No, we just need to budge a few times.

I disagree

1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x. 1/2 = 1/64 =1.6% Moneypuck had us at 1.4%. Dunno if they calculate it as simple as I did but, back of napkin seems to line up Actually, the odds should be worse as you point out @ska-T Chitownas that 1/64 run more less gets us into a toss up with those teams

If 5 results break our way, and the caps go 1-2 and NJ 1-1…so let’s say 6 results (I think 1-1 from each caps and NJ would be the fair default so, add 1 for the extra caps loss we need) and those are the standings on Saturday night

Caps go 1-2 (@Oilers @Kraken @Canucks) Devils go 1-1 (@stars @coyotes) - - - NY lslanders 66gp, 72 points Detroit Red Wings 67gp, 72 points Washington Caps 66gp, 71 points Buffalo Sabres 68gp, 71 points NJ Devils 67gp, 68 points

A good place to start: Sabres win their next 3 Islanders lose an additional time in that frame, to the Senators Detroit loses to Arizona in that time frame With those 5 results breaking our way: NY lslanders 66gp, 72 points Detroit Red Wings 67gp, 72 points Buffalo Sabres 68gp, 71 points

We can start with winning our next 5 games and pushing this streak to a 6 gamer. At that point if we get lucky 91 makes it (with our tiebreaker) and 8-4 over the final 12 id call doable given the kind of play we’d be seeing. So we’d need to go 8-4 (what are the odds?) and then probably a 50/50 shot at best 91 gets in. We’d need those 2 things to happen but I’d call them “possible”. There would he belief there, however unlikely. But there’s no belief without that 5 game win streak, better start there. And it’s the hardest of the 3 to accomplish We assuredly can’t lose 2 games in the next 5. 4-1 is the bare minimum. 2 losses in the next stretch would have us needing like 10-2 to wrap up, but realistically, 11-1. Not gonna happen. They have to go 4-1 over next 5, minimum

My theory on Feds is there’re like mushrooms: feed em sh*t and keep ‘em in the Dahhhk

And below them when you factor in points percentage as the teams above us have games in hand. What is the flex? That we managed to be a bit worse than a team that finished 20th? A big part of their skid seems to time with his absence

What are the odds we can go 11-3 after doing so? That’s probably about what the math would tell you we can only afford to give away 6 more points this season over the remaining 17 games, if the cut off stays at 93 It could potentially fall, but it wouldn’t be more than a point or 2 If we win the next 3 we’d have to go at least at least 10-4. But that probably doesn’t get us in

Dahlin

Ftfy

The lack of urgency in addressing that hole for a team that hasn’t made the playoffs in a decade was absurdly troubling “oh, he’ll be back mid season”. As if the games beforehand don’t represent crucial, unmissable points to this team

He’s the next 3C

As far as your argument goes it’s fine. I agree they were in shambles relative to expected results. I don’t agree we were in shambles relative to turnaround to achieving success: that seemed to be the way KA was using it: as an excuse. “Look, it takes a long time” Only by way of choice only by way of competence only a master of evil, darth

There’s “shambles” based on expected performance and “shambles” based on distance from success. I think my argument is consistent here because, even as captain of the “KA has failed so far” fan club, I’m also not the dude firing him and I’m also not the dude saying with a few prudent changes this can’t be turned around fast you are correct I wanted JB canned but that’s not the same thing as thinking the franchise was in shambles relative to turn around to success: merely by way of how much we had failed relative to expectations We absolutely should be a playoff team next year. We absolutely should have been this year. I wouldn’t be firing KA because he’s fallen incredibly short, I’d be firing him because it would be incredible we fell short so many times when distance from success was imminently achievable I post a lot, I’m not sure how much more heavy handed I can be in driving home this point time and time again: the frustration comes from the fact this is ABSOLUTELY salvageable but we simply refuse to measure results in the now - - - Frankly, and this is based on league wise results of the past, solid past precedent: a team with the will to act, with that will informed by competence, is very rarely more than a single offseason away from reasonably fielding a playoff team when it’s ~ a 50/50 proposition. And that team *should* be able to do it with 2 off seasons Nearly 70% of the current league hasn’t gone more than *2* seasons sans playoffs This will be Adams’ 5th offseason

When did he call me that? Lol

None of this represents a legitimate obstacle to finding a way to finish 16/32 once in 4 years By all means: sign up some mercenaries to achieve a goal, to make the playoffs. The connotation is ridiculous but whatever: they are all “mercenaries” People don’t want to come here because we suck? Field a winner in any way you can: home grown or not. Pay what you need to pay. Stop measuring assets by way of what they will grant you in the future: evaluate and assess how your assets can be parlayed into a playoff berth right now

Agree. For the plan to have been “successful”, nothing short of Adams assembling a perennial cup contender is acceptable. That’s not harsh: that’s what they said they wanted to build They could have set their sights lower: they could have said the aim was to make the playoffs. But that’s not what they wanted. And their execution certainly reflected that. Absolutely no praise deserved for falling short and achieving something that would have been an appropriate goal IF the time frame was a couple years. That wasn’t the intrinsic goal of the plan. The fact they willingly threw away 3 years for development and evaluation proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt