Randall Flagg

Basketball is unwatchable for me I agree the nba does a good job, players are great etc. The sport just does nothing for me

So basically Borgen and Risto are Carrier and Ennis, and if Risto's return is in line with Tyler's the grumbling would only last until the trade and then it'd never be spoken of again

The Sabres are guaranteed a Jack Adams award when they finally get back in. It's already written down in ink somewhere. Of course, our coach will probably be a robot programmed by rakish's grandson at that point

You could feel at this point that the trust was long-shattered, the separation already entrenched, we just haven't gotten the details worked out yet

Wouldn't have given that much up for Graves but he's fine.

Definitely made the ignorant image search for Jack mistake once upon a time

I'm getting on a plane soon so get ready for trade. Im not allowed to be online for sabres happenings

Im just a lowly sheep with Jack "satan" Eichel leading me to slaughter

They also coincided with ROR being here at the time of that trade - in fact, all of the talk was explicitly about him being a clump of cancerous tumor cells. It turned out that our team actually just had a lot of bad hockey players, and it still does. How did it work out that time? The rumors are weaker, less confident, and more vague this time - surely they are correct, so let's go through another embarrassing bout of character assassination! It didn't burn us badly last time or anything! Not all critique of eichel is what I describe above, nor is the desire to trade him, which I actually have. The make believe stuff drives me up a wall though. "You can't prove he's not!" Is not an argument

Do we have evidence that Jack Eichel, destroyer of locker rooms, is really the cause of our woes?

We applied the same logic to ROR - don't move him unless you get something obviously more valuable than he is. I laid out like 50 trade examples, I remember it clearly. We certainly hit on that one. This situation is a little different, because back then, moving the team in the direction of "okay, it's year 4 of jack and sam coming up, time to tear team down to nothing, and have it remain in that state indefinitely" was very obviously insane. Now, we have already gone through that, and made the current situation untenable for all parties. This trade probably happens BECAUSE of that one. But still, you don't move him unless you get an impressive offer, there's no reason to trade him for a pile of disappointment. Luckily, that's not going to happen

Interesting. I definitely think we'll be able to pull more than that. But we will see!

At least you gave something tangible for us to compare after the fact. But it depends on what you mean by 2 top prospects and a 1st round pick. Are you saying we'd be lucky to get Zegras, Drysdale, and 3OA? Because I certainly agree. But maybe you're saying we'd be lucky to get Boldy, Khovanov, and pick 25. And I certainly think we'll do better than that. Who is overvaluing Eichel, and by how much? Do people think he is a perfect hockey player, who doesn't get injured?

I watched him with suppressed expectations and still came away feeling a bit underwhelmed

Lotsa reasonable predictions in a bold opinions thread

My philosophy for goalie prospects is to pretend they do not exist until I see them winning nhl games

It looked a lot more readable on desktop, will fix when home again

I'm just joking about how pi bases all of his views on TRPM which tells you that every team has about half their team full of good players and half full of bad

Yup. I literally don't care how good risto or borgen are or are perceived right now. You cannot complete the risto mismanagement by squandering one last asset or potential asset before he happily bolts as soon as he can

By definition, half the team, since any team has their own symmetric distribution of his stat

yeah negligibly maybe, but irrelevant to the issue at hand (and I like Risto more than most) in the next few years it's definitely possible, but it would be because he is playing above where he should be on a Sabres team where someone has to score the goals I can't try to guess at this one but it feels definitely possible, but it feels equally possible that either of the other two guys could be better I hope so, but I do think they take him Mine: Brayden McNabb and Will Borgen will have carbon copy NHL careers on the ice, including an eyebrow-raising release from the Sabres organization - Will so they can keep a guy they trade for a 4th and a 5th at the trade deadline of another playoff-less season For about 1.5 seasons Larsson was the best Sabres fourth liner since Gaustad. That doesn't mean he'll be as effective elsewhere UPL will never be a good NHL goalie The Sabres will win the Jack Eichel trade looking back at it in 20 years Analytics are taken as a monolith onto which hockey truths are etched by the vast majority of fans who have a positive view of them, to the detriment of those fans' understanding of hockey. This is despite those fans taking great care to qualify what they say to shroud this fact. This type of behavior surrounds any topic and issue we attempt to quantify in this world. Analytics are kind of neat, largely uninteresting, and if you can watch every game of the team/player you care about you can easily outstrip the value they bring on your own with a little bit of effort. Some people who build and/or understand the modeling at a core level, and could teach advanced statistics courses, can be exempt from this point, except they're usually insufferable in other ways

I'm still gonna do this. But I'm going on vacation and things have been a whirlwind. July 25th and my summer plans are over and I can relax. ---------‐------------- It's not really about Borgen, it's about choosing between a guy who wants out when we are trying to build culture,who is guaranteed to only give you one year of hockey, versus young players you have control over and have shown promise while still far below their ceiling. It is a stupid move to keep Risto for a year and then have nothing while letting Seattle pick one of your young D. The only way setting it up that way makes sense is that you're locked in on a Risto deal whose return is better than Borgen, but for some reason you can't make that deal until after expansion

I am all in on LGR. I've canceled my meetings and submitted PTO.

You can't waste a protection slot on risto. One year of what Risto brings before leaving has no value. Borgen and Jokiharju are more valuable to the organization than a 1 and done risto the year after we trade eichel and Reinhart, when risto very clearly doesn't care if he stays or goes, just because they are under team control and haven't hit ceilings yet. If Risto's return is more valuable then Borgen, and the team refuses to make the trade today instead of in 1 week, I guess it doesn't matter. Only Adams knows that

He does. But they were gonna keep him at likely expense to Bjork or Asplund, and now we doont have to worry about that