Randall Flagg

Why not? If I could intentionally snap my fingers and make one of our 7th rounders disappear so that we don't waste a roster spot on Jimmy Vesey next season, and save whatever asset we would theoretically move for him, I'd do it. You don't get a better hockey team by plugging in pieces that don't play good hockey, especially when our main problem is that in those same roster positions we have guys who are capable of putting up similar point totals but are similarly incapable of playing consistent, reliable, repetitive high offensive event, low defensive event hockey. You need that to win and Vesey does the opposite. He's a lock to continue our main roster problem, not a solution to it

Cernak and Foote are their two top-rated defensive prospects too, though. They aren't filler. They're f*cking good and would easily be our top two non-Dahlin defense prospects, and at least one is sure to be a top four fixture for years. Again, Cernak already has a successful NHL season in the books, helping McDonagh to the best season of his career in tough minutes. He'd be the perfect Dahlin partner - he's nasty, stay-at-home, and allows his partner to roam. He is an excellent shot suppressor in his own right. We'd be a MUCH better team this year with this trade, and would have a great chance of winning it in the long run, which is why Tampa would say no if it was proposed.

I was wondering if these charts made it to this forum.

lmao did you miss the next part "getting lucky after that" referring to late round picks that develop into special players And I'm not off, I didn't say tampa doesn't want risto, i said that you'd get laughed off of their forum because their fans don't want him Trust me, I've already had these conversations with them Good morning to me, it sounds like you are the one that needs to reread!!

People here told me the same thing when I suggested Risto and Reinhart for Aho and Slavin a few years ago, so I'll take that as a compliment.

If this is about vesey, then absolutely you are correct.

Also, if you went to Tampa's board and offered Risto/Borgen/Mitts for Cirelli/Cernak/Foote, they'd laugh you out the door. They'd pay$100 of their own money to keep Risto off their team Just like I told y'all with Point last year, Cirelli is going to be a special hockey player. The only way you get special hockey players is drafting top 3, getting lucky after that, or identifying guys before they break out, not after I may be wrong, but Anthony is my pick this offseason to develop into a special player at some point soon

I'd even go as far as saying that points are incredibly misleading if you don't get to watch the players often. Unless it's an obvious extreme (82 games and 5 points or 82 games and 105 points) Moulson's last full season here? He outscored Brendan Gallagher, Ryan Dzingel, Travis Konecny, Calle Jarnkrok

It's worth noting that Fenton appears to be a moron. That Rask-Niederreiter trade was one of the goofiest trades I've ever seen

This is why some people love Risto: This is why others hate him: (wide open partner, chooses his trademark play instead, Sabres never possess the puck again before Chicago scores, and Risto was off the ice and avoided the "minus" for the play)

Yes but I'd add to our side if I had to. I'd give it a 70% likelihood that we'd end up with both the best forward and the best defenseman in the deal in the long run.

He's not a disappointment, he looked exactly like you'd expect a sub-PPG college player to look being thrust into the NHL - bad. I'm not disappointed by it, I expected roughly as much. The only people whose expectations had to shift around are those who thought that because of a 7 game tournament he was destined to be 1C talent. I don't think he'll always be bad, I just think the clear view of him as a prospect is not what Pronman got everyone all excited for. I still think his ceiling is a 70 point guy that helps give us one of the best center spines in the league.

Sort of - Cirelli and Cernak are already very good NHLers, with ridiculous ceilings. Trade value alone, Tampa would likely turn down my deal. Cirelli in particular finishes top 30 in the NHL in WAR/GAR models, because he's got ridiculous 2-way ability and managed ~20 goals/40 points despite every possible dream offensive situation being given to the guys chasing scoring records above him.

It's not really a mystery...

Nope, we'd have to give them Dahlin for Point Just for a nice package that includes (you guessed it) Cirelli, Cernak, and maybe more, (Foote?) not wasting any time with their middle six options

No because I'd rather give that package to Tampa

I'm as big a Nylander critic as anyone, but he was objectively a top 12 Sabre forward last season, and quite a bit better in his small time on the roster than both Mitts and Tage. I don't particularly like his game, but a reasonable NHL coach can turn him into a positive. There was nothing in his 12 games that indicated floating or effort or attitude issues. He actively contributed to offensive creation, if not as much in volume as a serious offensive threat like the top line, and wasn't a defensive nuisance, if not Johan Larsson.

He also scored 10 more points than Andrew Copp, who would be an infinitely better depth option if your interest is the Buffalo Sabres playing fundamentally sound hockey (not that he's available, just an example of depth forwards not being entirely about finished point totals)

Vesey, like Sabres forwards such as Sheary or Okposo, could put up "reasonable" depth scoring. But off the puck, in the 98% of hockey that isn't goal-scoring plays, he's a liability, particularly defensively. Sometimes it becomes cliche to call someone bad defensively, but if a player is ACTUALLY bad defensively, it's Vesey. We don't just need middle six points, we need our middle six playing winning hockey, that will score goals to help win games in November, but also be replicable through the winter and spring. He doesn't really contribute to that, and so Liger's sentiment is perfect - don't waste the time thinking about trading for him and don't waste even the small amount of assets trading for him. We have real fish to fry here.

Vesey would earn Jason another thumbs down from me

To a degree with ROR and months beforehand with Skinner, though I don't recall much of anything in the weeks before the Skinner trade actually happened. Scandella and Sheary, IIRC, were completely out of nowhere.

I might be doing this wrong, but it looks like Friedman tweeted that no line changes are allowed if a player shoots the puck from beyond the red line on goal and the goalie decides to freeze it. Jack likes to do that from time to time, he's gonna have to move his feet now.

Must have been nice getting to watch the best goaltending in the entire world heehee

If I'm giving up as many assets as that would take, it's for a center or defenseman, not a winger

Preds fan that was asked if Subban is bad now: "That's the $9M question. And the answer I think is we still don't really know for sure. He WAS bad last season. Or at least for most of it. He was noticeably slower at the start of the season especially. But we still don't know if or how much his mysterious injury played into it... it seemed like he might have been playing hurt to start the season and got shut down in mid-November. Then came back after Christmas but still wasn't quite up to par for a while after that. I thought maybe somewhere around mid-March and then on through to the end of the playoffs he looked a lot more like his old self, however. But I don't have anything that pinpoints a change/recovery, and there has been no official word on his health status at any time. It's at least hopeful that he had those final weeks where he suddenly looked a whole lot better again. But that's a pretty short sample to go on. But then the 50 games before that where he looked bad is a relatively small sample in the overall body of his career work too. So unless you're on the Preds medical staff or know something none of the rest of us do, it's kind of a mystery box for now, unfortunately. I don't think there's strong public evidence to support the notion that he's starting any age-related decline. But a bad season is a bad season and a team picking up that contract would have to do their homework I think particularly on the medical report just to be sure there's nothing chronic that might be lurking in the weeds to explain his bad season. "