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I agree that Perfetti and Rossi were better prospects. I disagree that the Sabres thought that as well and drafted based on need.

I didn't see that and it wasn't what I read in most places. I did in a few though. To me his agility looked good, but his straight-ahead speed and one-step quickness was unremarkable.

I'm out. Fixed narratives borne from limited information are too frustrating to debate. Have fun with that.

How do you know?

Sorry, but what does Kevin know about analytics, specifically the analytics the Sabres use?

Why are you so certain this is the case? Why does it have to be "we have to get two RWs who can score?" Why isn't it as simple as they thought Quinn was they best player at 8 and they ranked Peterka far higher than 38?

They wanted to add competitive, productive forwards and they did.

Two competitive productive forwards who go both ways and can drive offence. Positive trend here for me.

That's painful buyout, if I remember correctly. $2 million a year cap hit for the next 8 years! Ouch!

Stats in the German elite league are pedestrian, but he scored 6 points in 7 WJC games this year as an under-ager.

Athletic ranked him the 2nd best player still on the board after round 1: 2. John-Jason Peterka, RW, Munich-DEL Jan. 14, 2002 | 5-foot-11 | 192 pounds Skating: 55 Puck Skills: 60 Physical Game: 40 Hockey Sense: 60 Peterka was a tough player to evaluate this season, as he played very limited minutes on the top team in the DEL. I’ve seen him at other levels over the years, so I believe in the talent, but the lack of playing time in his draft season makes his projection more uncertain in both directions. I see a great toolkit. I see a player with quick twitch hands and ability to beat pro defenders. He’s a strong skater who can make highly skilled plays at a quick pace. He moves the puck well, although Peterka’s 60 IQ comes more from how creative he is offensively, as opposed to being a truly great playmaker. He’s not that big and I wouldn’t call him a great two-way forward, but he does work to win puck battles, and he’s not a perimeter forward. Tobias Abstreiter, coach of Germany U20 Team, on Peterka: “With the puck he’s a threat. He has good speed and very good skill.”

interesting deal. Guess it really depends on what you think of Luke Kunin.

Can you imagine if all the Sabres picks during the tank lived up to our hopes for them? It just makes me sad. Call it the "concept of" team Olofsson/Eichel/Reinhart Boeser*/Cozens/Quinn Compher/Mittelstadt/Nylander Davidsson/Asplund/Lemieux Dahlin/Ristolainen Samuelsson/Zadorov Johnson/Guhle Peterson Luukkonen Spares: Bailey Baptiste Borgen *(Had we not traded for Lehner)

I remember last year when a lot of people were pulling for Cole Caufield to be the pick at 7. Like Caufield, Jack Quinn is an elite goal scorer. Quinn is also a better prospect: bigger, better defensively, better forechecker, better puck carrier, better playmaker and a better line driver. He's a very good prospect.

I don't quite agree with you on this. Raymond at least equals Quinn’s two way play. Raymond might be a better skater. Raymond is far and away a better passer/playmaker. Quinn is far and away a better goal scorer. Size isn’t too different, Quinn slightly larger. I realize it's a tougher league but Raymond scored 4 goals last year in 33 games with Frolunda. Against his peers he scored 8 in 31. Quinn scored 52 in 62. And Quinn is a better puckhandler than some on here seem to realize. Elite Prospects: "He's always manipulating opposing defencemen as a puck-carrier, baiting a response, and then threading the puck through the opening this sequence created. Quinn can get a ten-bell shot off on either foot, and he deploys a wide array of release points to ensure that the puck gets through any manner of situations. This really stood out for me when I watched the tape.

Yes, watch him play.

Well, we may have lost Eddie today, but we still have Angus. This one goes out to Jack Quinn

I waited a few hours looking forward to this thread and it didn’t disappoint. It was far more restrained than I thought it would be. Kudos to LGR for some great, informed posting. This Brawndo post captures exactly what the pick should have felt like to informed fans. This is the type of misinformation and Ill-informed rage I expected to see much more of. This is entirely fair in the first paragraph and entirely wrong in the second. I suspect Taro’s views will change when he gets a better grasp of the raw stats and the circumstances. I am not clear about how this spits in the face of what they said they were doing. It is clearly the product of what they were doing. Occam’s razor suggests you didn’t understand what they were doing. (And how many of you have insight into the analytics the Sabres applied here.) As others have pointed out, calling Quinn a one-dimensional goal scorer shows a complete lack of knowledge of the player. I always thought it was weird that Quinn would get handwaved as being old and playing on a good team but we never heard those things about Rossi, who plays on the same team and is almost exactly the same age. I also thought it was weird that people would talk about his goals being padded by the PP when he was the best even-strength goal scorer in the draft. But what really intrigued me was that he was potentially the best goal scorer In the draft but was also a top PKer And a good forechecker and a defensively responsible matchup guy. And he was a hard working character kid who could skate and his size was fine. The best goal scorers usually have multiple red flags we are asked to overlook because of their scoring. I pulled the Mark Stone card myself on this board. This was delightful to me because Quinn was my crush for the draft, the guy I thought deserved to be picked higher than where the charts were slotting him. I talked myself into being fine with Holtz or Lundell or Sanderson because they seemed to be worthy of the pick, but Quinn was the guy I really liked out of the guys I thought we might be picking from. But there were two guys I also really liked In this draft that I didn’t think were going to be available. And then the draft fell and Perfetti and Rossi were both there for the taking. My reading of the Sabres pre-draft was that Rossi was their guy; I was so convinced that when Adams said Ottawa my head nod started then vanished into a “wait, what?” So I got a player I really liked and wanted who I think will be a similar, but better Sabre than Jason Pominville. And I missed out on the most competitive (Rossi) and the most intelligent (Perfetti) skilled players in the draft. It’s possible Quinn’s mix of skill and compete will elevate him above the other two, but that’s not how I saw it. The Sabres “informed dreaming” process thought otherwise. Like every other draft, we will find out in five years.

What does this mean?

Is there anyone here is not hoping for Rossi? (I;d like to point out that when the Sabres agree with Sabrespace we get guys like Jack Eichel and Rasmus Dahlin)

Proof Yzerman was tampering with McDavid?

Last year, didn't they have Cozens at 5 and were focused on Zegras at 7 before Yzerman surprised everyone with the Seider pick?

I think that's a good read. And it fits with that intel from a few weeks back that Adams wasn't thrilled with the guys around 8. Maybe they have a tier drop before 8 and those two are in their top tier and they didn't expect them to be there at 8. Now one might be. Also fits with the idea of Quinn being their favourite among the guys they think actually will be there.

Vinnie Hinostroza, Dom Simon, apparently two examples of the types of guys who will suddenly become available for your bottom for six for pennies on the dollar because they won't be qualified.

I really think the Sabres might be picking Rossi if they were picking third.