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Pick 21. Martin Jones went for one of Boston”s 13-14-15 pick run in 2015. And there was one more who is slipping my mind who went for a pick somewhere in that range around that time. I think those trades might be part of the reason why no one has given up that much for a goalie since.

TSN’s Craig Button dropped his mock this morning. Buffalo ended up with Benson after he slipped down to them. Still available were: Yeager, Perreault, Danielson and Moore Surprise was Wood at 6. Sandin-Pelikka and Willander went before the Sabres pick.

Am I on ignore? 😁

The guys they highlighted in the first were Wood, Moore, Yager, Sandin-Pellikka and Willander

Nelson was one of 6 players featured by Marty, Duffer and Kris Baker as guys to watch in the 2nd round. The others were: Forwards Oskar Fisker-Molgard and Anton Wahlberg, defencemen Martin Strbak, Oliver Bonk and Aram Minnetian.

And how about Gates Orlando? Not sure if he played enough games, but I don’t remember him playing for another team.

Sean McKenna? (First guy I thought of after Moller)

Underappreciated and taken for granted.

I think people sometimes forget Östlund was the 16th pick in the draft less than a year ago and has held his value. The suggested return is close to what Ekholm got and better than what Provorov got and both those guys have term. Neither of them returned an asset as good as Östlund. It’s almost identical to what Hronek got. Pesce is good, but he’s not Slavin or Dougie Hamilton. Its not light at all.

It’s never happened in the cap era. I did the research and posted it on here a while back and I’m too lazy to look it up again. Best return for a goalie in the last 20 years is pick 9 in 2013 for Corey Schneider. Darcy Kuemper was traded for Conner Timmins and a late 1st a couple years back in the best return recently, so essentially a little more than Ryan Johnson and pick 39. Last time a front-line goalie got traded was Luongo in 2014. It was for Markstrom and Matthias, which, at the time, was like UPL and Greenway. Before that, Ryan Miller netted Carrier, Stewart, a late 1st, Halak and a 3rd. It’s less than it sounds when you realize Halak was a cap dump and the Sabres also gave up captain Steve Ott in the deal. The short answer is goalies NEVER get traded for the kind of haul Chewie is offering for Saros. Most of the time they top out at the equivalent of a mid to late 1st and a mid second. The caveat is that goalies like Saros almost never get traded, so there’s not a ton of comparables.

Treliving quit because he didn’t want to work with Sutter Sutter was fired because players weren’t interested in staying if he was there Players want to leave anyway. At least they have 55-point man Jonathan Huberdeau on the roster for another 8 years at $10.5 million. 😬

UPL also went 12/5/1 in December and January after the starters got hurt and the season looked like it might be over by Christmas again. You can't cherry pick one way and ignore the other. *** In a vacuum I would be much more comfortable this season with an Andersen/Levi combo than Devon with one of the others. Outside the vacuum, it needs to be said out loud that acquiring another goalie means you are giving up on UPL. Plain and simple, you re telling him he's not good enough and you are going to have to waive him or trade him. Sabrespace might be OK with that since most gave up on him at the same time they gave up on Casey Mittelstadt. But I'm not sure Adams has. Also, the acquisition cost of Andersen (or anyone else) is not a make-or-break, but it matters. One year $5 million for Freddie and trade UPL for a 2nd? All over that. 4 years at $5 for Freddie and waive UPL? I might be tempted to give UPL another shot. Context matters.

Which players are you talking about? They aren’t getting anything for the UFAs listed above. Do you mean trading the Carlos and Debrusk and Taylor Halls for cheaper players who can be just as effective?

Guess what I am saying is I would disagree with coming back with the same goalies we have, but that doesn’t mean the off-season was a failure if we do. It means Adams has more faith in them than I do. We can decide who was right when the season is over.

Not “comfortable” with any of them. But I am far more “comfortable” with the possibility that Levi can give us 50 good games next year than I should be, or than I would be with, say, Freddie Andersen or someone else of that level. And I can’t overlook the fact that the team went 17/11/4 with UPL last year, which is about as good as one can expect from a backup.

I would trade 13 or Rosen for Helle straight across even though I would have no intention of signing him to the suggested demand because I believe it puts us in contention this year while buying Levi the time he will need. I would do that because they are the pieces listed least likely to be part of the core moving forward, and are made expendable by the other names on the list. Side benefits of the deal are the possibility that we may be able to reach a more suitable deal with Hellebuyck because he finds he likes it here, and that his presence allows the rest of the roster to “power up” and grow into the role of perennial contender after he’s gone if that’s the path he takes.

Unlikely, but yes. Im not betting on the Sabres trio, but no one was betting on Georgiev or Brossoit last year. 12 months ago a lot of you were looking at Comrie as a good backup who paid his dues and was probably ready to make the jump. The development path UPL started when he was the 2nd goalie taken in the 2017 draft projected him to be arriving as a useful NHLer this year. Watching them play last year I say “no, can’t trust that”, but on paper it’s certainly possible. Watching Levi play last year I say “kid looks good enough to be the guy” even though on paper it shouldn’t be likely. We won’t know if sticking with these guys this off-season is a success or a failure until we see how well they play.

I think the Gavrikov LA deal kinda set the template for what Lance is referring to. There will be players who want to wait in order to open up bigger opportunities for themselves when more money is available.

Hmm, I always thought there was a good chance Moore was there at 13. Didn’t see him with more than an outside chance to be top 10. We must be reading different things. I was kinda looking at it like Bob has it, with Reinbacher and Leonard at the top of a group of 8-10 guys that could come off the board in a variety of ways and another half-dozen or so who might force their way into that group. Thats after the top 4 and the Michkov wild card. Think there will be a lot of variation in who teams have ranked 5-20, with my #9 being your #19 and vice versa.

Make @Buffalonillsmile and @PerreaultForever love the Sabres again.

From the Athletic's salary cap summer preview. We can only hope, right? 31. Boston Bruins 2023-24 salaries: $78,562,500 RFAs estimate: $6,439,000 LTIR candidates: None Dead money deals: None Notable unsigned UFAs: Patrice Bergeron, David Krejci, Dmitry Orlov, Tyler Bertuzzi, Garnet Hathaway, Nick Foligno, Tomas Nosek, Connor Clifton Problem contract: Derek Forbort Projected cap space: -$1,501,500 Is the number as ugly as you’d expected? Here, we’re anticipating an AAV of more than $4 million for RFA Jeremy Swayman and a new deal for Trent Frederic. Those would put the Bruins over the cap before figuring out what happens with their iconic first-line center and the guy who plays directly behind him. What Don Sweeney does to deal with this — or simply fill out a half-decent four lines — is anyone’s guess. What seems certain, though, is that paying more than $9 million combined for Swayman and Linus Ullmark isn’t a fit, and neither is carrying $3 million, bottom-pair defensemen. Just to confirm, after resigning Frederic and Swayman to fair deals, the Bruins should be about $1.5 million over the cap without Bergeron, Krejci, Orlov, Bertuzzi, Hathaway, Foligno, Nosek and Clifton.

I think this thread and the fact there are so many legitimate choices underscores the fact that the Sabres don't need to have a splashy off-season to get better. They just need to fill the holes.

Athletic did a piece on perfect trade fits: Buffalo's was Pesce. Price was Östlund and pick 39, assuming a fair contract extension was in place

I love me some Jack Quinn, but the answer has to be Owen Power. He's going to go from 'damn that kid's going to be so good,' to 'damn, that kid is good!"

You're even more right than you think: Girgensons and Okposo were on that team as well, even if Girgs blew his achilles (?) and was unavailable.