7+6=13

What worked?

It's a proven reality. Remember when a lot of us thought players would want to play with McDavid or Eichel - and we needed a star? TP put money into the organization and we started hosting the combined etc. It didn't work to get players. TP has tried plenty conceivable things to create a spark. It hasn't worked. Buffalo is a place that critically relies on drafting talent and trading. Then hoping the draft picks develop and some of them and any traded players grow to like the City. That also hasn't worked.

Players have largely never wanted to come. He tried, it didn't work. Hint, it wasn't the losing.

Why would Pegula need to give them the country club, when we were already a place players wanted to come?

Which I believe, learning from the Reinhart trade, perfectly legal. Right?

He interviewed other GM's and Coaches on previous hires before KA and Lindy. So again, not something he hasn't done. It's not worked.

I don't understand most of this argument and it comes up regularly. That's not a dig, BTW. I would dispute some of the points you've made, but at the same time, I fundamentally agree that KA has failed. I think we have made some B to C type of trades. I also think we've had two blockbuster trades, so I don't think it's true that we can't. IMO, we could find a trade partner for Tage and Dahlin. There aren't many players I want to trade. Most that I would trade, I don't think have much value. Then some of our young talent hasn't been realized to a point we'd get a developed player back that I'd want enough to give up on potential. In summary, I don't share the belief that I have wanted KA to do more. He's done a lot. It just hasn't worked.

I understand and respect that. I think we understand each other - even though we disagree. With no data to support this, I think it's possible out of town fans may feel less sting. Maybe because we can't participate financially by going to games? For example, I would get season tickets the first day I could if I moved back. Maybe your response would be; then you'd be more pissed. So some of it could be things like that. Not that I'm ignorant to the fact there's many posters outside the Buffalo market just as upset as ones in it.

Well I'm not particularly happy that you think I'm the only annoying person here. That's not the goal. I'm not discussing different opinions in general terms. For example poster A wants to trade Byram, while poster B would like to sign him to an extension. I'm saying that hypothetical discussion will move away from that debate and get hijacked into vitriol for KA, TP and all manner of tangents that make some posters not want to come here. It's a problem and I'm not preaching. I'm just offering another perspective. Indulge me for a moment. I moved to Charlotte NC 29 years ago at 21. There's a massive amount of Bills and Sabres fans here. Maybe this will resonate with some of you. When I arrived in Charlotte there were two places that got the Bills games and often the Sabres too. This is before it became common to have your own dish. For those that got together during those years TBD and subsequently SS became a connection to home. We would regularly tell a person that didn't know, man you can go to SS and every article mentioning the Sabres populates. It overjoyed people that I know. The discussion today about SS is they don't come here anymore. "It's too negative". "Go to this guy on YouTube or this guy on X if you want Sabres discussion without the I don't even care if Buffalo loses the team". I mean you can blame it on Terry for forcing it but if it matters to anyone of you major posters (couldn't find a better term) - it's become a place primarily for venting and so much less content. I suppose if that's what you want it to be, carry on. I miss the place that is still a daily click for me, but I exit threads and leave so often because it's exhausting where they go.

Can't we get past this undertow? I don't understand what you mean by "vehemently disagreeing", honestly. What am I disagreeing with? A lot of you responding to me keep saying something similar. I don't think TP and/or KA, just for example, have done a good job. It hasn't worked. Isn't there anything else to discuss? Can't you try to say something different? Can't I fully comprehend the failure while also not wanting every thread to end up in the same spot?

I get it. I appreciate the discussion and you at least hearing me out. I know I'm not well liked by quite a few and not trying to sound like a martyr but feel obligated to say something every once in a while. Not to beat a horse but I came here mostly as a reader. I rarely posted. I always liked the Sabres and pretended I was Andrychuk in the driveway shooting tennis balls against my parents garage door. We couldn't afford for me to play hockey, so I was predominantly a baseball player and some football. Later in life I loved hockey more than I ever had but I didn't understand it like baseball and football. I was fascinated with the knowledge here and listened long enough to learn to have my own opinions. I was learning hockey from SS posters. Now it sucks. Most of the posters that became my always read, turned so negative there's little enjoyable. I miss you guys and gals. I wish you'd reconsider where you've taken the place.

I absolutely understand that I'm annoying. In the same way it's annoying to hear the same exact negative things being repeated. I disagree that it's "every" thread that I challenge the negative posters. You don't think the black hole most threads dive into are outnumbering? It's not about me either, it's about posters that feel the same as I do. Won't you agree, at least, that it's fair that we annoy each other and not just one group gets to annoy the other?

I'm not a TP or KA apologist. That's not what I'm communicating. It's what gets thrown back every time when I, every once in a while, object to the incessant negativity. Why too bad? What you're essentially saying is, then don't come here if you don't like the vibe. I didn't tell you to leave or stop posting. Why isn't everyone allowed to express their thoughts? I posted as someone that wishes we could return to what this community was. We don't need TP or KA, etc to turn it around. I know as an emperical fact, I'm not alone. Every time Taro posts about rules it's enlightening. Every time LGR posts about prospects and draft picks it's a must read. Anytime Tom Webster posts, you should read it.

Something something something, TP and KA are dumb. See you guys tomorrow.

Any chance you could tell us how many years it's been since we've been to the playoffs? It would be amazing. Say it like no one knows. It'll add that special personalized flare.

I deleted that post. I didn't care for how I worded it. My apologies. You don't like to call names? It's literally the majority of your content.

I have a right to tell you I think you're part of a group of people making SS a negative cauldron. Many don't love what you're doing. Never ever tell me I can't voice my opinion too. It's actually amazing that you're calling for a doubling down on your actions and that I'm to be silent. Another massive indicator of your totalitarian agenda to make SS only be about what you want it to be. Then you blame Terry, Kevyn and others for YOUR actions.

This response is proof positive you're not capable of seeing what you're doing. You're a grouch and don't possess the necessary couth to stop ruining it for many others that doesn't agree with your nonsense. You just admitted you don't care that you're having a negative effect on SS with this mindless rant. So you've posted here nearly 1,500 times per year since 2020 about a team and owner you loathe and he's the idiot? He's stubborn? He's ignorant? He owes SS something? He should go away? Locate a mirror.

I don't think you quite grasped the message of my post. The same 10 or so posters (guess), have hijacked SS and made it nearly unbearable. Take for example your post above. It's literally the same exact post that's been made dozens upon dozens of times. You seem to think it's an enlightened post but it's not. What it is, is boring. How many times do you think this has to be said? Here's what you don't get. I know many people that don't come here anymore because they can't stand the repetitive negative posts. I remember a time when I came here because there was so much hockey knowledge being discussed. I didn't grow up playing the game, except street hockey. So coming here helped me understand a sport I liked from afar but as I got older became my 2nd or 3rd favorite. TP didn't make SS the way it is. Hostile posters did. Every single thread, basically goes down the same exact roads.

This is just a bad place to come anymore. Posters making stuff up with insinuations and no proof. Start filling in blanks with conjecture. Then other posters commenting on these made up things, as if they're true statements. Anyway. Just wanted to throw my thoughts in the ring. In the event it resonates with others that don't interrupt the tirades either .

This is the guy I wanted.

I see where we're passing each other, not that I necessarily disagree. I think he can get 7 - 7.5 now, even possibly from the Sabres. I thought we were talking about a path for him to get north of 9 mil. I think that's a serious challenge and I don't believe he's getting 72/8 like Chychrun. Not in this contract. Maybe he signs a 3 year deal, performs on a team as you suggest and his next, 27 year old contract is high end.

I understand what you're saying but how's he going to get that opportunity? The only way I see it, is if he plays the final year of his contract and signs a one year deal somewhere where a team will allow him PP time to get these coveted points. That's not likely. Wanting a trade from the Sabres isn't going to do it either. They'll have to give up a good player to get him and they'll want a commitment to sign an extension shortly after the trade. Which will be based on his current point status. Maybe I'm missing something.

This is an interesting take. So you think he wants north of 9 mil per? Do you think he could get that from a team willing to trade for him, with the said team having to likely give a good player back?

Pretty much sums up my presence on SS.