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Honestly, the more I think about the Rust thing, the more I look at as being exactly like the Peterka deal. If you told me I could trade Peterka and a first for a heart-and-soul veteran 30-goal winger with a Stanley Cup ring, a rugged young forechecker with middle 6 potential, and a giant shutdown top 4 right D, I’d say “hell ya, that’s exactly what this team needs.” It’s the fact that those pieces are Helenius, Rust, Doan and Kesselring that I find myself tripping over.

Charlie Coyle from CBS to COL for TBD.

Even with his 1st two years included he's scored at a 30 goal pace his entire career. He only had 7 PPG's last year. And his shooting percentage of 15.1 was above career average but was a few points lower than Tuch. Plus the "ever again" doesn't factor in lucking into being on mackinnon or mcdavids line or something. I don't even need data to say he'd probably score 50 or something.

And we get three swipes with our first round pick in the meantime to replace the prospect And the league gives those to us for free! Are people talking about this?

To quote Sparta... "IF"

Stop injecting facts.

I could have sworn we traded Savoie for the present.

Yep - but then you have to consider cap space doesn't matter as much to the Sabres as they're always $10m under

Nm thought you meant Rust.

Yeah, the way the math fits is another thing that gives this one wings.

36 goals was good for 16th in the NHL and several players ahead of him are centers. 49 players scored 70 points last season and again you have centers and defensemen to contend with. Him not being a center hurts his value a bit, but byram needing a payday does lower his value considerably.

$5m cap hit won't hinder a Tuch signing. Theoretically we just saved $5.5m in cap by trading Peterka (compared to the two guys we got back).

I just don't Rust to block us from keeping Tuch or actually getting better. Plus I sure as hell wouldn't trade them Helenius

If we traded two firsts for Dobson this place would burn down.

Regardless of our personal feelings on the value and utility of Rust as an asset I think we also need to consider some things about Rust as a player: He is veteran Stanley Cup winner and a veteran leader and a dog on the ice, capable of giving you more value than his $5M contract. And he is probably at this moment a better (not more skilled, better) player than the man we just traded, a man whose departure just left a Rust-sized hole in the lineup. Such things seem to be important to our management right now.

Of course but they're not giving up 2 for that package

Agree with this too. Otherwise, I would rather bridge Byram than give him away for a late 1st or even 2 late firsts.

He's Czech. I assume you mean mrtka.

Like, is D more important than Winger? Tough to answer that without context. a stud goalie is most valuable a 1C is arguably the most important forward position but the game IS changing. For some teams, their best player is a winger. Wingers facilitate the whole offence now if necesssry, most teams utilize free wheeling systems in the o zone. Forwards also drive play in today’s game more than d overall, I believe, analytically it really comes down to who you slot in the role. I don’t think “D” is more valuable than “W”, or 4D more valuable than 1LW, in any sort of on-the-surface way that would sway whatever given hypothetical comparable much beyond the determination you’d be arriving at by simply comparing and contrasting the two real world players in the no longer hypothetical comp

Trade protection just keeps you from going to buffalo though. We might not be a good partner for that reason.

I see what you did there

On Rust, I might be wrong on this, but I think he has a partial NTC through June 30th and it comes off July 1. So, unless we aren't on the list or he outright waives his NTC, a trade might not be an option until July 1. Again, I might be wrong.

I'd take 2 for Byram and 9 if they offered. Misa would be a NHL player this year on 28 of 32 teams

The question is: What is bust? Does anyone truly believe that Adams believes that he'll be fired if the Sabres don't make the playoffs this year? The team is on a Power/Levi mid-to-late 20s timeline. Ruff will be retired, the assistant coaches will be able to be renewed or let go, and Appert will take over behind the bench. But Adams?

Thank you for using “superfluous” and thank you for spinning it that way because that’s an excellent way to look at it. what do we want to be. Are we trying to maximize the now, or are we happy saying our best days are ahead of us What are you happy with? Everyone can ask themselves I’m tired of giving ourselves the caveat that it’s “not really our time”. Never will be, till we make it so by choice