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That's not what I said... read carefully... Playing 1st line on a non-playoff team like Buffalo, best case Benson could approach 60pts.... that said, he still wouldn't crack the top 6 on an established playoff team. In other words, you take the average second line winger on an established playoff team and put them on Buffalo's first line.... they easily crack 60 points, while Benson would struggle to do the same and likely wouldn't hit that mark. If he's your 3rd or 4th best option at a point producing wing role, you're not a playoff team. Do better.

I just no longer believe in labels like "first line" or "2c". I guess I can get behind a '4th line' for the role they may have and the fact they are getting the least ice time. But beyond that, in your top 9, you play where you play the best, with who you play the best with. If that means Benson (or anyone else) plays the best with Tage, that doesn't make him your 'best' winger and theirfore he should get the label as the 1st line winger. Is he a top 9 guy? Is Tuch a top 9 guy? Is ANYONE not on the 4th line getting '4th line minutes' a a top 9 guy? Yep, most of these guys will. At that point its less about slotting them as "1st line, 2nd line, etc" and more about just seeing who plays the best with who in your top 9. As far as who gets the most ice time....current play and matchups can dictate that. Benson is, and should be, a 'top 9' forward on this team. Who he plays with and how many points he gets will determine his ice time, not where he is 'slotted' on a dept chart. Personally, I woudl expect mid-teens in goals, close to 40 points from him. 15-16 minutes per game, without much time on the PP or PK (yet). If he gets a minute or two more, or a minute or two less, it should be more about who he is playing with and HOW that LINE is currently playing.

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You aren't my friend. You said that a 60pt Benson wouldn't even be a top 6 winger on a playoff team. I proved you wrong, easily. Be better.

I see a lot of people gravitating toward a "1st line" of Benson/Kulich/Thompson that we saw a lot of down the stretch. I picked March 15 as a bit of arbitrary start date as the first game Norris missed — thinking he's the guy who will be effectively replacing Peterka in the top 6 — and tracked Benson's numbers: He was 6th in ice time for forwards at 16:02 per game after Tuch, McLeod, Thompson, Peterka and Zucker, in that order He was 9th among forwards in points, with 5 in 17 games and did not score a goal He was 5th among forwards in shots with 31 He was tied for 7th in GF% at 50% He led the regular forwards in possession at 54.2% The Sabres went 11/5/1 over those 17 games, outscoring their opponents 65-58.

In his first two full years in the NHL Marchand averaged 80 hits (bias stat -maybe), 24 goals and a shooting percentage of almost 16. But Benson has a three year head start on these numbers, so 25/26 wouldn’t even factor in based on age. So from a development perspective, it’s about getting physically stronger, and executing offense at a higher level. * adding an asterisk to my comments as the OP question was how good will he be this year. I am fully on board Benson meeting these numbers 3 years from now. Also, did the PC police vet your question using Brad as a comparable…..based on what, his size? Because I never mentioned height or weight in my posts. Benson towers over Marchand by 1 inch, so why would you not use a 5’11’ forward to compare?

Cozens was below average shooting. Krebs and Quinn were average. I believe both scored more goals away from Benson than with him. But the opposite is also true because Benson did not convert goals at a high rate his line mates assist rate was also impacted. I expect his goal scoring average to go up. It has to if he is to be a prominent forward. It's long way from where he was last year to being a #1 left wing. I just wish I knew what the plan for that position was because I don't see a good one right now.

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Have you read my many posts on UPL that I’m not sold on him? And I have stated that one of the biggest failures of the limited GM is not having an adequate backup plan for him. It was and is inexcusable. Not sure why you think otherwise.

There were 5 goalies UPL's age and younger who played 40 NHL games last year. He's played three NHL seasons: one below average, one good, and last year, where he lost his mojo in the December losing streak and sucked afterwards. Personally, I'd bet against him, but development-wise, he's in a similar career spot to Jack Quinn and Owen Power: young enough that we're still not sure what he is, old enough that it's time to ***** or get off the pot.

Production wise, yes.... I think his ceiling is perhaps a Viktor Arvidsson, but with a decent floor of a guy like Teddy Blueger who fills an important defensive role.

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Would I be correct in saying you see his ceiling as a Jochen Hecht?

Development?! He's 26! I too, want to believe in UPL... but he sucks, and the stats show that it's not because of the defense in front of him. 6th worse high danger save % 2nd worst goals saved above average and high danger goals saved above average

Watch the video. I think his awareness is definitely top 6. Look at all the good, unexpected passes he makes in high-traffic situations and the reads when he's breaking up plays defensively. I don't know if the Sabres have a better forward on the roster in terms of moving the puck to a teammate while under pressure. But I see exactly where you're coming from on the skill thing. He doesn't bury enough of the chances his sense and tenacity create. I think it's mostly his shot, which I'd classify as weak at this point, but he's also shown no ability to beat guys one-on-one off the rush. I think that's speed-related, because he's shown quick twitch agility and hands to escape and make plays in traffic situations. He's not shown much ability to create and execute in open ice. I think it would be mistake to ever think he can create offence in the way, say, a Mitch Marner of a JJ Peterka can. But there are other ways to produce and I could see him succeeding offensively in the manner of a Sam Reinhart or a Brad Marchand. When you look at Marchand's skillset, what tools does Brad have that Benson does not?

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I disagree with your disagreement of my assessment. I forecast him as a 3rd line winger on a playoff team who fills an important role... matching up against other teams top lines, killing penalties, situational matchups (end of periods, closing out games, etc..). You absolutely need those type of players in your lineup... he's part of the solution, just not as a top 6 point producing player. That role belongs to somebody with a bit more offensive acumen.... on a playoff team at least.

* - with JJ Peterka in the top 6 and Benson getting 3rd/4th line minutes (22% of 4201 even strength minutes). Wasting?! He was a 19 year old, still learning the pro game.... you make it sound like he's an established superstar who wasted away at the bottom of the lineup because of Lindy. C'mon, do better! He's nowhere near 50-60pts, nor does his NHLe (35pts) project him to be... therefore the burden of proof is on you my friend.

I disagree with your assessment of him. And it should be noted that you don’t have to be an elite talent to be a first or second line forward. I consider him to be more than a suitable first or second line complementary type player. And it shouldn’t be discounted that his gritty style of play enhances the team beyond his stats. It’s still going to take some time for him to get his man strength. So there will be more upside to him. This isn’t a young player that you should be too impatient with; this is a player that you should value because he is on your team.

I guess we shall see

I would have voted for “He will be better than last year but I don’t expect an eye-popping breakout season”.

I like the player, I really do... this isn't a jab at him, but he's simply not a top 6 talent on a playoff team, not will he ever be. It has nothing to do with his size. Love the work ethic and he's remarkably responsible on the defenive side of the puck for his age, which is fantastic. He just doesn't have the elite skill/awareness to consistently produce offense at the level required to plant himself in the top 6 of a playoff lineup.

You don't agree that Zach Benson passing to Dylan Cozens, Jack Quinn, and Peyton Krebs for large chunks of the year impacted his assists? Ok. What's more likely, Benson shoots below average forever, or he had bad shooting luck mixed with not enough skill that can be corrected? Yup.

Have people watched the video?

I don't agree with blaming Zach Bensons numbers on other players on the team. Just about every other player scored at or above expected goals last year according to Money Puck. Who was the worst? Zach Benson. https://moneypuck.com/player.htm?p=8484145 0.98 Expected Goals Per 60 Minutes Played in 2024 10 Goals From 18.08 Expected Goals During 1,111 Minutes Played 12.68 Expected Goals After Adjusting For Shooting Talent Predicted Shooting Talent is 29.9% Below Average for 2024 Not only is that the lowest predicted shooting talent on the team as far as I can tell it was the lowest in the NHL. If not it is pretty close. You can't blame that on other players and if anything you could turn around and say some of the others scoring was depressed because of it.